need advice

**jackkerr7** · 01-29-2013, 07:01 AM

hey boys,
just need a little help with my first cycle. i have 10ml nandrolone deca200 i am looking to stack it with testost enanthate (if safe). i am unsure of how much to take weekly also gos for my pcts, nolvadex arimidex clomid. can anyone help me out ?

**Gaspaco** · 01-29-2013, 07:08 AM

Hey man!

First of all you are 18yo too young to cycle and very high chance to damage your self for the rest of your life.

Another thing is that your profile say that you have done 8 months of training, thats not enough to cycle because you don't have base, you need to be working out seriously at least 5years before cycling.

Deca will shut your natty test lvl so hard that you will have no chance to make any girl happy.

**Euroholic** · 01-29-2013, 07:12 AM

Edited!!

**Gaspaco** · 01-29-2013, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

Drop the deca just use the test at 500mg a week. Pin it twice a week. Also use hcg 500iu a week 2 pins a week. Use arimidex at your own discretion. 0.5g every 2 day etc etc.

What are your goals mass or cutting?

Dude, that guy is 18yo

**Euroholic** · 01-29-2013, 07:17 AM

Just saw your 18 you wont get help on this site. Ill help you if i can im a firm believer in people making there own choices in life. But just read that thread about the young and steroids thread first ok? Before you stick a needle in your backside just read about the sides and decide if thats for you

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UQfMVYlhic0

**lovbyts** · 01-29-2013, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Gaspaco

Dude, that guy is 18yo

It's not just he is 18 but he just got his learners permit and wants to drive a Ferrari.

Sorry but you need to get some experience, a base as said and it takes a few years. No need to rush into things. You will gain just as fast if you focus on diet and training instead of looking for short cuts that could easily have live long consequences. We have all been there and know the temptation. We have also seen what happens to most kids your age when they do use before they are ready and at a young age. Neither are very good.

**jackkerr7** · 01-29-2013, 07:36 AM

just to get mass to start...absolute no safe way to take test and deca even if it was low mgs per week and stretched out ? i have already done 1000mgs of stanazol to cut up for summer didnt get any sides though i know it is very different from test/deca cycle.

**lovbyts** · 01-29-2013, 07:40 AM

No it's not much different, still test and it still shut down your natural production of testosterone . Because you are lucky once does not mean you should keep chancing fate. You are also prematurely fusing your growth plates. They dont fully fuse until around 23/24. It's not just height but also filling out, wider shoulders, chest and such. By using aas you have a good chance of stopping all natural growth.

There is no such thing as a low safe dose. Being on only 100mg a week will shut down your natural production and only give you normal values so no additional growth. What you need to focus on is diet and training like I said, not aas. You can gain and maintian mass without the proper diet.

**jackkerr7** · 01-29-2013, 07:46 AM

thanks for the info. minimal age of starting them ? also i thought the pcts such as arimidex , nolva and clom, stopped the fusion of growth plates because they block out the estrogen that is converted from the steroid once injected ? if that is true i cant see how it can have bad effects on me if im using pcts.

**lovbyts** · 01-29-2013, 07:49 AM

Like I said, it's not just about age. 23/24 is a good age IF you have a good base and diet. you can be 30, 35, 40 and not ready in many cases.

Stick around, read, learn, enjoy but be one of the few who hold off until you are really ready. You will not regret it. We have many 18-30+ year old guys who are natural, haven't cycled yet. The more you read the more you will realize there is to learn.

**jackkerr7** · 01-29-2013, 07:51 AM

i also didnt mention i applied for human growth hormone injections 2 and a half years ago through prescription. i was tested and the results were 0 hormone left in my body. i am only short in stature and havnt changed since the day i was tested. does this prove my hormonal activity at its complete end ? i do appreciate your info on this thanks heaps.

**lovbyts** · 01-29-2013, 07:54 AM

When was your last blood test? Being diffident of HGH does not mean you are not producing Testosterone . 2 different hormone and glands.

**jackkerr7** · 01-29-2013, 08:01 AM

my last test was that 2 and a half years ago but i thought it would be impossible to produce anymore hormone if i was completely ran out by the age of 15. since i have no growth hormone would it be safe for me to do a HGH cycle ? because it is from the different gland to testosterone ?

**lovbyts** · 01-29-2013, 08:06 AM

You have already been prescribed HGH right? How much do you or did you take? I dont see a problem with upping your dose of HGH to gain and maintain more muscle mass.

Yes HGH and Testosterone are two different animals. One is not dependent on the other.

**jackkerr7** · 01-29-2013, 08:09 AM

i havnt had any injections i missed out the approval by 3cm or something pathetic like that. but my tests still came up 0 growth hormone . i may look into doing that. what sort of side effects would i be looking at from test/deca with pcts and liv detox ?

**lovbyts** · 01-29-2013, 08:40 AM

Google Deca Dick. Even if you run test and an AI followed by PCT there is always that chance.

You really should get a full Hormone panel down to find out what your natural test levels are.
These are what you need to be tested for.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UQffMUHhxv8

**jackkerr7** · 01-30-2013, 06:23 AM

ive read about deca dick but people usually tell me to run it with sus250 or test enanth at a higher dosage than the deca each week to prevent it from happening. what is the point of deca if it will effect absolutely everyone that takes it or is it an unlikely chance of getting the particular side effect from it. if i didnt take deca and just did the test enanth by itself what would i be loooking at then ?