letro joint pain help

**seriouslifter** · 02-14-2013, 08:13 PM

im past mid cycle and started letro to try to kill pre existing gyno. 2 weeks in at 2.5mg im noticing my wrists, forearms and elbows are killing me. a stinging painful pump. i barely can lift heavy anymore. the joints hurt. wonder why i have been feeling tired and just out of it. i think the gyno is getting smaller little by little, it was big before. i have been taking joint supp and 2-3g of fish oil a day. i just started creatine to possible help. what do you guys do? i cant even keep lifting heavy it hurts.

**redz** · 02-14-2013, 08:15 PM

That's a very high dose of Letro its probably drying you out. I would not advise that dose on cycle, tough to make any gains at all when estrogen is crushed that badly.

**Bio-Active** · 02-14-2013, 08:16 PM

You are crushing your Estrogen

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

im past mid cycle and started letro to try to kill pre existing gyno. 2 weeks in at 2.5mg im noticing my wrists, forearms and elbows are killing me. a stinging painful pump. i barely can lift heavy anymore. the joints hurt. wonder why i have been feeling tired and just out of it. i think the gyno is getting smaller little by little, it was big before. i have been taking joint supp and 2-3g of fish oil a day. i just started creatine to possible help. what do you guys do? i cant even keep lifting heavy it hurts.

**MuscleInk** · 02-14-2013, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

im past mid cycle and started letro to try to kill pre existing gyno. 2 weeks in at 2.5mg im noticing my wrists, forearms and elbows are killing me. a stinging painful pump. i barely can lift heavy anymore. the joints hurt. wonder why i have been feeling tired and just out of it. i think the gyno is getting smaller little by little, it was big before. i have been taking joint supp and 2-3g of fish oil a day. i just started creatine to possible help. what do you guys do? i cant even keep lifting heavy it hurts.

Where you using an AI previously? Fatigue, myalgia an arthralgia can by symptoms of both high and low E2. Too many people make the mistake thinking an AI is only needed to control gyno. That is a very naive view.

Your symptoms could be estrogen related. List everything you are taking including supplements, gear, and ancillaries and for how long.

**seriouslifter** · 02-14-2013, 09:24 PM

i know its hindering my gains, but im doing the c-bino protocol. im trying to zap gyno on cycle because i didnt want to lose my sex drive. i was front loading with prop and now im on wk8 of test enth and deca . deca at 400mg doesnt seem to be lubricating joints. i was using ldex at .25mg EOD to gyno prevent and keep estrogen stable, but i want this pre existing gyno gone. it was big lump before, i think its getting slowly smaller or it could be mentally. what should i do? i really feel letro effects now and joint pain. i just took motrin.

**kelkel** · 02-14-2013, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Where you using an AI previously? Fatigue, myalgia an arthralgia can by symptoms of both high and low E2. Too many people make the mistake thinking an AI is only needed to control gyno. That is a very naive view.

Your symptoms could be estrogen related. List everything you are taking including supplements, gear, and ancillaries and for how long.

Great advice ^^

Note to self: avoid anything that ends with "algia"........

**seriouslifter** · 02-14-2013, 09:28 PM

i really want this gyno to be gone and be done with it. i know its prob messing up my cycle now. all the water is out of me. i dont feel really swole anymore and im bulking.

**kelkel** · 02-14-2013, 09:34 PM

Personally I think you should end your cycle early (I know, I know) and pct. Then concentrate on your gyno removal. Doing both together does not bode well IMHO. There are many great threads here for gyno removal that may help. Research Raloxifene, Nolvadex and even Andractim (sp?)

and listen to MI please.

kel

**MuscleInk** · 02-14-2013, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

i know its hindering my gains, but im doing the c-bino protocol. im trying to zap gyno on cycle because i didnt want to lose my sex drive. i was front loading with prop and now im on wk8 of test enth and deca. deca at 400mg doesnt seem to be lubricating joints. i was using ldex at .25mg EOD to gyno prevent and keep estrogen stable, but i want this pre existing gyno gone. it was big lump before, i think its getting slowly smaller or it could be mentally. what should i do? i really feel letro effects now and joint pain. i just took motrin.

How long was the gyno there? You said "pre-existing". Untreated gynecomastia can become sense and fibrous and when that happens may require a surgical resection to completely remove the dense tissue.

**seriouslifter** · 02-15-2013, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

How long was the gyno there? You said "pre-existing". Untreated gynecomastia can become sense and fibrous and when that happens may require a surgical resection to completely remove the dense tissue.

its been there for years and has a lump, but i wanted to try letro. is it a waste of time since its been there for years? i feel its a dense lump. should i just stop letro and go back to ldex at .25mg EOD? i feel like pure crap, tired and joint pain. i dont even feel swol anymore.

**seriouslifter** · 02-16-2013, 07:09 AM

What should I do? Didnt even take letro last night.

**seriouslifter** · 02-16-2013, 02:40 PM

?????

**redz** · 02-16-2013, 03:50 PM

Go back to the adex, you likely wont see much improvement on the gyno if it has been there a long time.

**seriouslifter** · 02-17-2013, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Go back to the adex, you likely wont see much improvement on the gyno if it has been there a long time.

okay thanks.

**Ronnie Rowland** · 02-17-2013, 01:59 PM

As long as you are on aromatizing steroids the Gyno can come back. Letro is well known for causing severe joint pain and fatigue. I would switch to nolvadex and add in some masteron next cycle. Some find the need to use deca just to be able to lift any time soon after letro. I would stop lifting until the pain subsides. If you don't want to remove it surgically try small doses of test and tren ,higher dosages of masteron, and some nolvadex next cycle. You might add anavar into the mix. Letro is not for everyone!

**ironbeck** · 02-17-2013, 02:11 PM

I love letro........

**seriouslifter** · 02-17-2013, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland

As long as you are on aromatizing steroids the Gyno can come back. Letro is well known for causing severe joint pain and fatigue. I would switch to nolvadex and add in some masteron next cycle. Some find the need to use deca just to be able to lift any time soon after letro. I would stop lifting until the pain subsides. If you don't want to remove it surgically try small doses of test and tren,higher dosages of masteron, and some nolvadex next cycle. You might add anavar into the mix. Letro is not for everyone!

yeah i have about 6 weeks left of 14 weeks with this cycle. tomm just going to start ldex again at .25mg EOD. i cant have letro hinder my gains and have no estrogen pretty much. i have felt like crap. not fully swol like i said because water is gone and joint pain is ridiculous. what about switching to nolv right now at 10mg ED? isnt that just for having gyno possible flare up not remove it.

**Bio-Active** · 02-17-2013, 05:40 PM

Why not jump on adex or aromasin ?

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

yeah i have about 6 weeks left of 14 weeks with this cycle. tomm just going to start ldex again at .25mg EOD. i cant have letro hinder my gains and have no estrogen pretty much. i have felt like crap. not fully swol like i said because water is gone and joint pain is ridiculous. what about switching to nolv right now at 10mg ED? isnt that just for having gyno possible flare up not remove it.

**Ronnie Rowland** · 02-17-2013, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

yeah i have about 6 weeks left of 14 weeks with this cycle. tomm just going to start ldex again at .25mg EOD. i cant have letro hinder my gains and have no estrogen pretty much. i have felt like crap. not fully swol like i said because water is gone and joint pain is ridiculous. what about switching to nolv right now at 10mg ED? isnt that just for having gyno possible flare up not remove it.

Like Jim said aromas in is another option but it can be too strong for some as well. The reason I recommended nolvadex is because it does not dry out your joints as bad as the others. Same with Masterone. I would use 10 to 20 mgs of nolvadex for the joints. Nothing compares to Letro for getting rid of Gyno. Use nolvadex to control it and stay on cycle but stop training for a week to allow joint recovery. You will still make gains!

**seriouslifter** · 02-18-2013, 10:45 AM

im on test enth and deca right now so i thought the joint lubrication would combat the letro dry out, but it didnt. im just gonna go back to ldex at .25mg EOD if needed bump to .5mg EOD. i guess i try letro off cycle at some point but sex drive will be gone. the gyno not bad but there is a lump. its annoying.