Leaning cycle

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 03:17 PM

Ok so I'm gonna start a cycle.. I have touch gear in over two years.. I'm trying to lean out more. I'm going to be running
Test prop 400mg/week
Winstrol 50everyday for the last 4 to 6 weeks of my cycle
Anavar 50 mg everyday

I plan on running this cycle 12 weeks long. I have clomid and letrozole and hcg in case I run into any complication.. What do u guys think?? Input or modification will be greatly appreciated

**austinite** · 02-15-2013, 05:29 PM

This doesnt look too good to me. What are your stats anyway?

**Henryhill470** · 02-15-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

This doesnt look too good to me. What are your stats anyway?

100% agree

**Bio-Active** · 02-15-2013, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Ok so I'm gonna start a cycle.. I have touch gear in over two years.. I'm trying to lean out more. I'm going to be running
Test prop 400mg/week
Winstrol 50everyday for the last 4 to 6 weeks of my cycle
Anavar 50 mg everyday

I plan on running this cycle 12 weeks long. I have clomid and letrozole and hcg in case I run into any complication.. What do u guys think?? Input or modification will be greatly appreciated

Map out your exact plan and doses for your cycle plus pct

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 05:55 PM

What doesn't look good. Type of gear or dosage.. I'm 6"1 205 18% bf.. What's wrong with it

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 05:57 PM

I did map out.. 400 mg of test prop a week 50 mg of winny 50 mg of anavar .. My pct is there in case I run into complications I have clomid hcg and letrozole worst case... Tell me what I need to change

**austinite** · 02-15-2013, 06:06 PM

Ok...

Anavar won't do anything for you at 50mg. you'll probably feel baby aspirin faster. Regardless, at your body fat, you wont benefit much, and you MOST certainly will not get anything out of winny. These 2 orals (especially winny) do well at low body fat (11-12% or lower).

I don't see why you can't get to 15% naturally. This is an issue with your diet, not lack of gear. I say your best option here is to let the pro's in our nutrition section critique your diet so that you can maximize your results naturally, and get to a stage where you can actually benefit from these compounds.

2 orals are a bit harsh, not a good idea. Var for 12 weeks is way too long. AI should be taken on cycle, same goes for HCG . Letro is WAY too harsh of a compound and clomid will not suffice alone for PCT.

So you see, this is kind of all over the place. I recommend you hit the diet section and use that time to educate yourself on cycling. I know you cycled before, but from looking at your layout here, I recommend you start reading beginner cycles.

Best of luck .

**MuscleInk** · 02-15-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

What doesn't look good. Type of gear or dosage.. I'm 6"1 205 18% bf.. What's wrong with it

If you're running 12 weeks why not go with C or E over prop?
At 18% bf anavar will be wasted.
Letro "in case of complications"??? How else will you control aromatization? Letro is pretty harsh.
What's you PCT plan?

**austinite** · 02-15-2013, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

If you're running 12 weeks why not go with C or E over prop?
At 18% bf anavar will be wasted.
Letro "in case of complications"??? How else will you control aromatization? Letro is pretty harsh.
What's you PCT plan?

Shoot, I missed that, didnt notice it was prop. Good observation as always, MI.

**redz** · 02-15-2013, 06:10 PM

Anavar won't do anything for you at 50mg. you'll probably feel baby aspirin faster. Regardless, at your body fat, you wont benefit much, and you MOST certainly will not get anything out of winny. These 2 orals (especially winny) do well at low body fat (11-12% or lower).

I don't see why you can't get to 15% naturally. This is an issue with your diet, not lack of gear. I say your best option here is to let the pro's in our nutrition section critique your diet so that you can maximize your results naturally, and get to a stage where you can actually benefit from these compounds.

2 orals are a bit harsh, not a good idea. Var for 12 weeks is way too long. AI should be taken on cycle, same goes for HCG . Letro is WAY too harsh of a compound and clomid will not suffice alone for PCT.

So you see, this is kind of all over the place. I recommend you hit the diet section and use that time to educate yourself on cycling. I know you cycled before, but from looking at your layout here, I recommend you start reading beginner cycles.

That about sums it up basically you are way off with what you proposed and gear alone does not dictate results, the diet and training do which you likely have not figured out yet at 18% bf.

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 06:16 PM

Ok so basically what I got out of everyone's response is that I'm wasting my time.. Get better nutrition.. Got it.. Thanks

**austinite** · 02-15-2013, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Ok so basically what I got out of everyone's response is that I'm wasting my time.. Get better nutrition.. Got it.. Thanks

Yes. Nothing worse than spending a bunch of money and 12 weeks working hard only to be disappointed. I've been there and hate the feeling. Would hate to see you go through that too.

Welcome aboard by the way

**MuscleInk** · 02-15-2013, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Shoot, I missed that, didnt notice it was prop. Good observation as always, MI.

No worries. You had the most important details covered.

**ChiveOn** · 02-15-2013, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Ok so basically what I got out of everyone's response is that I'm wasting my time.. Get better nutrition.. Got it.. Thanks

Seems a bit harsh and certainly not the answer you were lookin for. But completely accurate information. Do what you will, but unless you have a lower b/f% and have your diet strictly controlled the gains and results you will see are going to be small compared to the money you'll spend. To me, that's a waste.
Letro is a bit harsh from what I always read, although I've never used myself. IMO adex will serve you fine at .25mg EoD, and should really be run throughout the cycle. Additionally the HCG should be run throughout too! Maybe it's just me but small balls aren't exactly my thing so I'd rather control that instead of waiting for "just in case" later.
Stick around and work your ass off for some time then give AAS a go when it'll really show more benefit. Lots of useful info here that'll help you plan a better cycle. 2 orals is certainly harder on your body than you probably want. Especially for that extended period of time.
Best of luck

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 06:44 PM

Thanks chiveon.. Can someone give me a good stack for leaning out?? I get my gear for free!

**ChiveOn** · 02-15-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Thanks chiveon.. Can someone give me a good stack for leaning out?? I get my gear for free!

Hook me up!!!

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 06:50 PM

Lol.. I did a distributor of a pharmacy a huge favor...

**austinite** · 02-15-2013, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Thanks chiveon.. Can someone give me a good stack for leaning out?? I get my gear for free!

Jeez. I see we all wasted our time here.

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 06:56 PM

Lol!!! So what's a good leaning out stack

**ChiveOn** · 02-15-2013, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Jeez. I see we all wasted our time here.

Lol ya.... It's hard to hear no. OP, if you gotta do it noone can stop you but do yourself a favor and read around a bit. Get everything you need beforehand and for gods sake try and hold off for at least a few months so you will be happy with the results. Take some time getting proper diet and training then add AAS... Can't really say anymore. Do what you're gonna do I guess

**ChiveOn** · 02-15-2013, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Lol!!! So what's a good leaning out stack

Do the research. Especially after reading this thread nobody is going to spoon feed you the answer you're looking for. A good leaning stack is diet. Worry about the anabolics later

**stpete** · 02-15-2013, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Lol.. I did a distributor of a pharmacy a huge favor...

No you didn't .

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 07:09 PM

Thank u guys.. Sounds like im back in college and my professor is talking to me... Lmaoooo.. I simple question turned into a physiological answer.. the truth is people are going to do what ever there gonna do.. Thru research or advice..but thanks

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 07:10 PM

Ok I didn't.. Lol

**austinite** · 02-15-2013, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Thank u guys.. Sounds like im back in college and my professor is talking to me... Lmaoooo.. I simple question turned into a physiological answer.. the truth is people are going to do what ever there gonna do.. Thru research or advice..but thanks

You're right. So you asked a question and you got answers. This isn't a forum where people will just tell you what you want to hear. You can ask the same question 100 times 100 ways, it doesnt matter. So do your own research if you think you can do better, and run your cycle.

**crazy mike** · 02-15-2013, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by jondeca51

Lol!!! So what's a good leaning out stack

All I know is winstrol doesn't lean you. Your diet leans you. Winni will keep keep you somewhat strong, keep your energy keep your hardness and metabolise better. It's up to diet and cardio to get you leaner. That's why I used it for show time. It worked for me way back. ..crazy mike

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 07:28 PM

Gosh I think u took it the wrong way.. I said I got and I said thanks

lighten up. I'm sorry

**jondeca51** · 02-15-2013, 07:28 PM

Thank u mike.

**crazy mike** · 02-15-2013, 07:32 PM

Hey Stpete, haven't heard from your side lately. You cool dude? ...crazy mike

**binsser** · 02-18-2013, 12:22 PM

Lolol fck sake i had this when i started hear and its simple ...people hear are blunt but RIGHT but it is still gonna be done cause you have the gear and u will see good results with prop regardless so if you have too.

Prop - 500-600mg a week and var 60mg a day thats it hcg 2 x 250 a week and a ai every 2-3rd day pref arimadex and your away but no longer than 8 weeks is recommended for prop and 6 weeks for var bud.

Hope this helpex better than the other responises you didnt want to listen too ha ha ha

**--->>405<<---** · 02-18-2013, 12:47 PM

binsser ur a bad boy!

the best thing for leaning out is proper diet and cardio. stop looking for shortcuts! lets assume this cycle is actually a not bad idea. lets see the most important factor (IMO) in ur little situation here pal, lets see ur diet! ?????

**austinite** · 02-18-2013, 07:11 PM

^ There you have it. From the master himself.

**MuttonChop** · 02-18-2013, 07:27 PM

IMO, the only reason gear should be used is for bulking. Cutting is so damn easy man. Steroids don't do jack shit for losing fat...okay, perhaps not 100% true...but the actual fat loss DUE to a steroid is minimal at best. What they do do is PRESERVE muscle mass...but you are nowhere close to your genetic limit. If you maintain only a 500 calorie deficit, muscle loss should be minimal.

I would instead suggest that you look into the ECA stack, Yohimbine, and/or Clenbuterol . ECA and Clen are also considered to be anti-catabolic.