critique my cycle :)

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 04:36 PM

Whatsup bros? It is that time again. I want to get everyones input as well as suggestilns on a cycle im thinking about putting together.

Im 5'7 175 lbs.

Im looking to add as much lean body mass as I can with this cycle with an emphasis on lean. Im not interested in water retention and would rather keep it to a min.
Ill have plently of arimidex and nolva on standby and was curious how much of which one (adex or nolva) would the bros suggest to avoid aromatization. Thanks for your input in advance.

Wk 1 thru week 12test e @ 500mgs
Wk 1 thru week 4 tbol @ 50mgs ed
Wk 4 thru 12 eq @ 500mgs
Wk 8 thru 12 anavar @ 80mgs ed

Pct:
Last 2 weeks of cycle hcg @ 250 iu ed
Arimidex: 3 weeks @ .25mg ed
Nolva: 4 weeks @ 20.mgs

**ChiveOn** · 03-03-2013, 04:42 PM

I assume you've cycled before? I would run the adex at .25 EoD the whole time as well as the HCG 250iu 2x/wk.

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 04:43 PM

Yea. This is my 4th cycle.

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 04:47 PM

U say adex .25mgs the whole 12 weeks of the cycle plus the 4 weeks of pct?

250 iu hcg twice a week? For two weeks?

**Time1** · 03-03-2013, 04:49 PM

HCG From start up until PCT mate

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 04:53 PM

No way bro. Not all the way thru the cyclem. Ive never heard of hcg from beginning to end

**Time1** · 03-03-2013, 04:56 PM

look in the most common beginers cycles by mickeyknox. says right there mate, HCG from start up until PCT.

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 05:03 PM

Ur right.. just saw it. First time I hear about that. I always heard people taking hcg right after the cycle ended at the start of pct.

**Time1** · 03-03-2013, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by ******06

Ur right.. just saw it. First time I hear about that. I always heard people taking hcg right after the cycle ended at the start of pct.

thats refered to as a power PCT. But its a lot safer to use it during start of cycle till pct mate

**redz** · 03-03-2013, 05:09 PM

I wouldn`t bother with EQ. Have you ran it before? the stuff is useless in general but even more so when ran for short periods.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-03-2013, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by ******06

Whatsup bros? It is that time again. I want to get everyones input as well as suggestilns on a cycle im thinking about putting together.

Im 5'7 175 lbs.

Im looking to add as much lean body mass as I can with this cycle with an emphasis on lean. Im not interested in water retention and would rather keep it to a min.
Ill have plently of arimidex and nolva on standby and was curious how much of which one (adex or nolva) would the bros suggest to avoid aromatization. Thanks for your input in advance.

Wk 1 thru week 12test e @ 500mgs E3.5D
Wk 1 thru week 4 tbol @ 50mgs ed 40mg is plenty
Wk 4 thru 12 eq @ 500mgs Need more 600-750mg and longer - 14-16wks
Wk 8 thru 12 anavar @ 80mgs ed Needs to be run at least 6 wks

Pct:
Last 2 weeks of cycle hcg @ 250 iu ed Run this ON CYCLE.
Arimidex: 3 weeks @ .25mg ed Again, ON CYCLE
Nolva: 4 weeks @ 20.mgs Clomid/Nolva for PCT Look up Common Beginners Cycle for most of this info

I'll never understand why guys insist on "treating" an issue, rather than "preventing" it?? hCG on cycle to prevent Testicular Atrophy, not at the end to treat it. Sheesh..

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

**Buster Brown** · 03-03-2013, 05:11 PM

Why start the eq on week 4 ? Should start on week 1. What made you go with EQ?, pretty weak compound compared to so many better ones. Tbol at 50 mgs. a week is ok to get things started. Def want to use Hcg 250 iu's twice a week right up until 3 days prior to Pct. Your Pct needs alot of work, consider:
Week 15-18 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Week 15-18 Nov 40/40/20/20

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 05:12 PM

I ran it once before with test, tbol and winny. Maybe I liked more than I should becuz I liked the way I looked off that cycle. But it might of had more to do with the winny than eq.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-03-2013, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by ******06

I ran it once before with test, tbol and winny. Maybe I liked more than I should becuz I liked the way I looked off that cycle. But it might of had more to do with the winny than eq.

Bingo!

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

I'll never understand why guys insist on "treating" an issue, rather than "preventing" it?? hCG on cycle to prevent Testicular Atrophy, not at the end to treat it. Sheesh..

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

Hey Mickey. Thanks for ur input. Ive been reading that thread since time1 mentioned it. Makes sense. Will add hcg in the whole way thru. Thanks for the headsup

**MickeyKnox** · 03-03-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by ******06

No way bro. Not all the way thru the cyclem. Ive never heard of hcg from beginning to end

Why HCG is So Important

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UIlhVWfX_ft

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 05:46 PM

so if I drop the eq, what do you think I should run in its place??

do you guys see anything wrong with running 2 orals? tbol and var? or do u think that's overkill?

**MickeyKnox** · 03-03-2013, 05:55 PM

12 wks total of orals is not a very good idea, imo. I would dump the EQ, if you're not going to run it properly, and simply add Var for your last 8 wks. With a solid diet and exercise routine you can pack on some serious lean muscle.

Sometimes, less is more.

**songdog** · 03-03-2013, 06:01 PM

Bro you really need to sit down and read the stickys.This way you know how to do things correctly.Like EQ not only is it worthless but it needs to be run at 600mg a week for like 16 weeks.Educate before you medicate.

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Bro you really need to sit down and read the stickys.This way you know how to do things correctly.Like EQ not only is it worthless but it needs to be run at 600mg a week for like 16 weeks.Educate before you medicate.

yea I should do that, been years since ive messed with this stuff,.. need to refresh.

**Getbig06** · 03-03-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

12 wks total of orals is not a very good idea, imo. I would dump the EQ, if you're not going to run it properly, and simply add Var for your last 8 wks. With a solid diet and exercise routine you can pack on some serious lean muscle.

Sometimes, less is more.

less is def more sometimes.

thanks for the info.

ill post my results on the board.

much appreciated bros.

**ma_fighter** · 03-03-2013, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by ******06

so if I drop the eq, what do you think I should run in its place??

do you guys see anything wrong with running 2 orals? tbol and var? or do u think that's overkill?

Nothing needs to take its place. Don't overcomplicate things.

I'd have settled for one oral, probably Var @80-100mg/day for 6 weeks, and done the test at 500-600mg/week every 3.5 days.
If you dont grow plenty off of that, then your training or nutrition is way off!

I also noticed you asked "how much of which one (adex or nolva) would the bros suggest to avoid aromatization."
You do realize that only Arimidex is an AI out of those two, nolva is a SERM