Do you run PCT after a PH cycle?

[Knockout_Power]

So, do you guys? Absolutely no personal experience with PHs. but I get asked this quite often so I figured I should be a little more informed.

-KP

[MickeyKnox]

PCT after ANY cycle that shuts down your HPTA.

But you know what i think about PH cycle eh? lol

[austinite]

No matter what you take, if it shuts you down you need to PCT. Some PH's are actual AAS, just marketed otherwise. That's where a lot of people make mistakes.

[Knockout_Power]

But you know what i think about PH cycle eh? lol

Please share... chose to stay ignorant when PHs started becoming popular. My interpretation was that it was used by people who wanted "the easy way out" from pinning REAL AAS, and in turn got scammed by being sold something that produced little to no results.

Like I said, I plead self-induced ignorance.

[MickeyKnox]

Most are taken orally and extremely hard on the liver, and the side effects are more extreme compared to other orals and oil based AAS that are administered IM. I also think they are the most abused of all steroid profiles commonly available today.

[redz]

Best to avoid them entirely, might as well just go for the real deal. PCT for anything that causes shut down.

[MickeyKnox]

I had an entire bottle of M1T offered to me for free and turned it down. My liver is far too important to me.

[Knockout_Power]

Most are taken orally and extremely hard on the liver, and the side effects are more extreme compared to other orals and oil based AAS that are administered IM. I also think they are the most abused of all steroid profiles commonly available today.

so wtf is the point? Is it just for pvssies who want to play the game but wont step up to the plate (pin)

[MickeyKnox]

so wtf is the point? Is it just for pvssies who want to play the game but wont step up to the plate (pin)

Yup, and posers and wannabes..

[Knockout_Power]

Fvck, what a waste of a thread... sorry to the Steroid dot com community for taking up bandwidth.. should have just spammed with pics of scantily clad womenz

[MickeyKnox]

PH, imo, are responsible for most of the outcry's you hear about with parents and media.

PH are typically the first "cycle" young men use in their teens. They sell these things at high school. I'll bet if i dug deep enough i could produce stats on this shyt.

[Knockout_Power]

PH, imo, are responsible for most of the outcry's you hear about with parents and media.

PH are typically the first "cycle" young men use in their teens. They sell these things at high school. I'll bet if i dug deep enough i could produce stats on this shyt.

please dont waste your time, unless you are really really bored... I have the answer I need if Im asked this question again.... and I quote "pour it down the drain"

[MickeyKnox]

please dont waste your time, unless you are really really bored... I have the answer I need if Im asked this question again.... and I quote "pour it down the drain"

I agree. Flush them. PH's are the absolute WORST compound you can put into your body, when it come to AAS.

[Shsm]

so wtf is the point? Is it just for pvssies who want to play the game but wont step up to the plate (pin)

Yes, that's exactly why and because of availability and legality. Tons of guys that played sports at my HS were on PHs, I don't think any of them injected. They're too p*ssy. I'm a virgin pinner and I've turned myself into a pin cushion for the past 2 weeks injecting 1000mg Vitamin B-12 IM ED and I look forward to pinning each day. It's just a pinch and it's in

[EyE]

Ph's are kind of a bunch of BS, but there are designer steroids that are marketed as PH's that are no joke...Its just differentiating the 2. And for a lot of people, it has nothing to do with being a puss and not wanting to pin...Its more a about legalities and accessibility.

Yes, there are SOME that are hepatoxic and could create a very unhappy liver.......so does binge drinking though. Plus something like superdrol produces dry lean gains without the aromitization in a shorter time than a 12wk test cycle. shorter time on=faster recovery.

I'm not saying that they are not dangerous.....because THEY ARE....But they can be managed and used properly and effectively just like any other AAS.........

[snowblowjoe]

Do b12 injections do anything? I got one once and it didn't do shit

[Shsm]

Do b12 injections do anything? I got one once and it didn't do shit

For me, yes. I force feed my self every day due to bulking and I've been able to eat more and I feel more energized throughout the day. Without it I don't think I could manage as much food. Austinite said even if you don't notice anything it's still doing great things inside you

[Knockout_Power]

B12 is a great item to add to any training routine, on or off cycle. So many benefits. A quick google search will have all the answers.

[sixfootseven]

Yes, that's exactly why and because of availability and legality. Tons of guys that played sports at my HS were on PHs, I don't think any of them injected. They're too p*ssy. I'm a virgin pinner and I've turned myself into a pin cushion for the past 2 weeks injecting 1000mg Vitamin B-12 IM ED and I look forward to pinning each day. It's just a pinch and it's in

I thought after the first week b12 is bi-weekly and then once a week after the second week?

For me, yes. I force feed my self every day due to bulking and I've been able to eat more and I feel more energized throughout the day. Without it I don't think I could manage as much food. Austinite said even if you don't notice anything it's still doing great things inside you

I may add it into my cycle in April.

[Buster Brown]

The only reason so many of those ph's have seen the light of day is because they weren't on the books as being aas/ph's. They were the pharm companies experiments that never made the cut for one reason or another.

[Shsm]

I thought after the first week b12 is bi-weekly and then once a week after the second week?

I may add it into my cycle in April.

I'm doing 1000mg ED while I bulk and a 1000mg shot each week on Sunday while I'm maintaining or cutting unless the hunger pains are too much to handle. Never heard of your protocol but I haven't done much research on the matter either. I'm just going with Marcus300's and Austinite's protocol. Atomini helped me a lot also

[likelifting]

I know peeps that are taking PHs. They feel its legal and oil isn't.

[snowblowjoe]

I'm very interested in designer steroids .. It's like designer drugs you maximize the good effects and take out the negative ones

[snowblowjoe]

What are the cons to taking designer steroids besides the oral toxicity?

[Provita]

I read up on Superdrol, used it, loved it, got results. On PCT now and kept my gains. No you guys aren't fans, don't blame you. But surely, it is not all bad. 3-4 weeks done and dusted. So your liver is not exposed to the toxicity for 2-3months. Just the food and drinks most people have imo does more damage to the liver than SD. I'm pro SD, but with correct dose, and should not be treated differently than AAS.

[iSwanson]

I never understood why someone wouldn't just use AAS if they're thinking of going on PHs. I remember reading on here that PHs can covert to test or sometimes to just estrogen, because they are incomplete substances. I think Atomini (spelling?) posted this, and as we all know he knows his shit.

But on topic yes to PCT

[snowblowjoe]

Why do you keep calling this a prohormone when it is a designer steroid ? Actually what's the difference between a prohormone and designer steroid

[EyE]

If I am not mistaken, a PH converts to an active anabolic while in your system, while a designer steroid is active straight from the bottle...

As far as side effects go besides toxicity, lethargy is a big one for most since the DS is gonna be suppressive to your HPTA and there is no test base.....so at that point you have no test and your body is not creating any....A lot of people are able to get past that though....Or combat it with HCG . Most on this forum are disgusted by PH's/DS's because of the toxicity ...or so it seems.....But I honestly feel that a month of binge drinking would be worse for your liver than a mild SD cycle......Just my $.02

[MickeyKnox]

What are the cons to taking designer steroids besides the oral toxicity?

No one said anything about oral toxicity.

Why do you keep calling this a prohormone when it is a designer steroid? Actually what's the difference between a prohormone and designer steroid

Youre questioning the proper name yet haven't a clue on the difference between the two?

I never seem to get enough of your ridiculous comments..

[snowblowjoe]

A bunch of people said stuff about oral toxicity if you read the full thread

[MickeyKnox]

A bunch of people said stuff about oral toxicity if you read the full thread

I did. Quote it please.

[snowblowjoe]

Ok mickey