First cycle equipoise and questions

[simpled88]

Hey all,

New to the steroid scene and have questions. I have always stayed away as I never knew enough about them and thought I would become some kind of huge hulk, but now im more informed about them haha. I dont want to get huge, I just want to get ripped and have solid muscle. I have done a heap of research before starting my cycle and I figured I would ask if anyone has done an equipoise only cycle? If so how were ur results and when did u start to notice them? I know alot of people stay to add test but I cant yet due to having my wedding next week and I dont want to get big too quick, I just wanna cut for now otherwise I wont fit into my suit haha. After my wedding I will start to add test but I am unsure if I can mid cycle? Im still unsure what to use as I only want to get ripped I dont want to get huge yet.
I am onto week 3 of my cycle at 400mg a week and on my 4th week im doing 500mg and im doing a 12 week cycle. Im feeling stronger and noticing small growth to my arms which is good.

My stats are:
Age:25
Height: 185cm
Weight:92
BF %:16%
Training: 4-5 days a week for 1-1 1/2 hrs ( have been training on and off for 5 years)
Diet is done by my pt with 2300 cals per day (although I feel like I need more due to being hungry all the time from the equipoise)
I think I got everything I need but let me know if I have missed something and I will update it.
Thanks all!

[Alinjr]

You should always have test as a base. What about pct? Is this your 1st cycle?

[austinite]

Eq only is a poor choice. EQ in general is a poor choice. This is a compound that will do very little for you in terms of results. At high doses you may notice a difference, but that comes with a risk, such as high RBC levels. You will be hungry at all times, which defeats the purpose if you're not bulking.

Your first cycle should be test only. Lots of research to do here... No mention of AI, Test, HCG, PCT, etc... kinda scary actually.

[krugerr]

Welcome to the forums. It seems you have a lot of research left to do. You arent using Test because you might get too big for your wedding next week? Really? As Austinite said, your missing a lot of key information from your post, and Test should be used as a base for all of your cycles right now.

Get this fixed asap.

[Gaspaco]

eq only is a poor choice. Eq in general is a poor choice. This is a compound that will do very little for you in terms of results. At high doses you may notice a difference, but that comes with a risk, such as high rbc levels. You will be hungry at all times, which defeats the purpose if you're not bulking.

Your first cycle should be test only. Lots of research to do here... No mention of ai, test, hcg, pct, etc... Kinda scary actually.

^^^this!

[Sociabear]

Why all the Eq hate? I love Eq /Test stack

Not recommending for op, just curious.

[ChiveOn]

You've got some research to do man. Look into the common beginner cycles thread, I'm sure Mickey will be along shortly with links haha

[songdog]

Bro before you do another cycle.Read ALL the stickys there is a ton of info there for you.

[gymfu]

Don't want to get too big too quick????????

AAAAHHHHHHHEEEEEE it drives me freakn crazy when people say that. You obviously have NO idea in what it takes to get big. The amount of effort that goes into this and people actually think they will take one test cycle and get too big????

Trust me on this you have to REALLY work at it and want it to get big.

You need to do some more research, eq alone is a bad idea. Read the stickies at the top of the forum, they have all the answers you need.

[ChiveOn]

^^x2
You aren't gonna just become a monster over a few months... In reality if you put on 5-10lbs of real LBM over a test cycle you did GREAT. One thing to know about AAS. If people can't tell you're taking steroids you're doing something wrong

[MickeyKnox]

Why all the Eq hate? I love Eq /Test stack

Not recommending for op, just curious.

Agree with everyone above. Youre lacking basic knowledge here. Read a bit more, especially the stickies in each of the Sub forums. Lots of key info in there.

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs


Sociabear,

RE: EQ

Some have used it and didn't see any results. Others tend to parrot these comments, especially the "bicycle chain" one - its my favorite.

I used it and gained 20lbs, with a TRT test base. BUT, like Austin said, you need a lot for it to shine. My diet wasn't that great, but i was always hungry. And my BP was fine the entire way through.

Do i recommend it? Nope. Its not cost effective. Again, you need too much and for too long. There are far better choices for the money, time, and results.

If you happen to get a smokin deal on it like i did, sure give it a try. Otherwise, steer clear.

[redz]

EQ is junk in general, seriously I question how anyone could gain 20lbs with it. Makes me think you may have got deca or something. That stuff is a waste of oil. 600mg for 15 weeks and I could not notice anything above and beyond what just test does other than being crazy hungry.

[MickeyKnox]

EQ is junk in general, seriously I question how anyone could gain 20lbs with it. Makes me think you may have got deca or something. That stuff is a waste of oil. 600mg for 15 weeks and I could not notice anything above and beyond what just test does other than being crazy hungry.

Like i said, some people dont respond to it...like you, obviously.

[redz]

Like i said, some people dont respond to it...like you, obviously.

It's such a strange compound. I mean pretty much every other compound seems to have a use for everyone but EQ does didly for some and others claim its great.

[Sociabear]

I got insane stamina from EQ. I love it with tren for the hunger benefit. Now I will say I am running deca/test cruise right now and I do notice more from deca in the strength department and my joints are great.

EQ makes me feel great in general though. But different strokes for different folks.

Eq is always in my pre contest stack also.

[redz]

I`ll never understand how that compound can do so much for some.......Maybe if I had never tried tren I'd feel differently.

[MickeyKnox]

Im not a defender of EQ, although it does sound like that. I just like to add my personal experience with EQ, that took place recently, to the conversation and remind others that it does in fact work for some people.

[Sociabear]

I will defend EQ then

[simpled88]

Thanks for the info guys, as I said I'm thinking of kicking into test after the wedding but not sure what I want to do because there is sooo much out there, I have been reading a fair bit about it, I just need to check with my source what he can get. I lived the info for beginners, was pretty helpful but I know people who have done eq and they got some results and I am feeling something too. I also got a pretty good deal for what I got so it wasn't too bad. I still need to drop bf% abit more hence me watching my diet and training pretty close and I have also checked with the doctor (not that he was happy with me telling him haha) and my pt as well. My cycle is as follows
Week 1-3 400mg
Week 4-9 500mg
Week 10-12 400mg

This was advised to me by my source. Try not to hate on me so much for eq only I just didn't want to change much until after I have my wedding cause I can't change my suit size anymore than what I have so far. I do want to do test but after it.
Thanks again.

[Provita]

Thanks for the info guys, as I said I'm thinking of kicking into test after the wedding but not sure what I want to do because there is sooo much out there, I have been reading a fair bit about it, I just need to check with my source what he can get. I lived the info for beginners, was pretty helpful but I know people who have done eq and they got some results and I am feeling something too. I also got a pretty good deal for what I got so it wasn't too bad. I still need to drop bf% abit more hence me watching my diet and training pretty close and I have also checked with the doctor (not that he was happy with me telling him haha) and my pt as well. My cycle is as follows
Week 1-3 400mg
Week 4-9 500mg
Week 10-12 400mg

This was advised to me by my source. Try not to hate on me so much for eq only I just didn't want to change much until after I have my wedding cause I can't change my suit size anymore than what I have so far. I do want to do test but after it.
Thanks again.

Why not wait till after the wedding in the first place? Do proper training and dial in your diet. That would be a good base and start from there...

[simpled88]

What do u mean do proper training? I'm doing 4-5 days per week and 1-1 1/2 hr sesh each day. Doing my training as per what my pt has set up for me. I don't understand what you mean by proper training? I also am very strict with my diet.

[ma_fighter]

If you wanted to get ripped, and had a strict diet, you'd be sub 10% bf - Fact

1½ hour sessions is way too long IMO, unless you're doing cardio in there as well. I'd say you're not training intense enough to maximize hypertrophy.

EQ only is terrible, just utterly stupid. TEST only would have been great though. So obviously you have not understood much out of the "heap of research" you've done.
There is also no need to taper EQ, FRONTLOADING, IE doubling the first weeks dosage to get the levels up quickly, yes. Tapering, no. If this was adviced by your source, he doesent really know what he's talking about.
Never listen to a source, he's not your friend, he just wants to make money off of you.

Are you doing an AI?
Are you using hCG?
What is your planned PCT?

This is a silly cycle, you should just stop it, and once you are ready, do a proper test only (with AI + hCG) cycle.

[Provita]

What do u mean do proper training? I'm doing 4-5 days per week and 1-1 1/2 hr sesh each day. Doing my training as per what my pt has set up for me. I don't understand what you mean by proper training? I also am very strict with my diet.

I did not attack your training or said you are doing anything wrong. I just suggested that you do proper training. (Note: time training does not mean good training.) You are here to ask opinions, take what you seem fit.

Diet:

Strict diet does not mean good diet.

Just a few points that show me your diet is not in check as much as you think:

1. 16% Body fat. If your diet was very good it would of been 10% or less after 5 years of training.
2. "(although I feel like I need more due to being hungry all the time)" Your body is crying for energy!
3. "Diet is done by my pt with 2300 cals per day" 2300 kcal is way to little for someone as big as you are imo.

Here is a quick calculation (one of many) you can make, to calculate the kcals needed.
BMR = 66 + (13.7 x weight in kg) + (5 x height in CM) – (6.8 x age in years)
This will work out your maintenance calories per day (keep same weight) we either add 500 calories to gain weight or subtract 500 calories to lose weight.
Taking into consideration your activity level: Multiplier of x 1.5

Therefore just your maintenance is 3100 kCal. With 16% BF you do not have to add 500 kCal if you want to reduce BF%.

Hope this makes sense. I'm not here to grill you dude. Just responding to the info you give.

[Provita]

Please do not think that a calorie deficit = fat loss. If you are very active and your body is deprived of energy, the next time your body gets food, it will hold on to what it can, and store it as fat. This is called "Starvation Mode". Not a good place to be. Continual balanced macro nutrients is what your body needs...

[simpled88]

Thanks for that info, I understand what you meant now. I will talk to my pt and tell him we need to look at my diet. I know eq increases you appitite but I didn't wanna stuff my face. My 5 years of training was on and off due to my previous job I couldn't work out how I am now for 2 years, I only went 2-3 a week and was limited in what I could do but I have been back into it all well before the cycle. Yes agreed my bf% should be less but that's what I'm working on now.
I am doing cardio in my sesh's as I am training up to do the tough mudder challenge. At the gym I do less weights more reps hence why I may be there longer but once a week I will do a pb day on a set group like yesterday I did pb on chest.
Thanks for the people giving me advice because essentially that's what I came here for. I have people around me who are using as well but I want advice and info from a few different places to compare and adjust where needed. Any advice on a good test to use that will give me a solid and none water weight look? There are so many choices originally I was gonna do a win & eq cycle but couldn't get the win so I didn't.

[ma_fighter]

FFS, read the stickies and you could answer your own question.

ANY test is good to go, cyp or enanthate for a first timer, cause you only have to inject 2x/week instead of every d*mn day with prop. Its not the test in it self that gives you water retention, but when it converts into estrogen.
More bodyfat=more conversion of test into estrogen.

Bloat is controlled with an AI, something you should know, and already have. You should ALWAYS RUN AN AI on cycle, preiod.

If you cant get one, dont do AAS.
If you dont know what it is, dont do AAS.
If you dont know what it does, dont do AAS.

Testosterone should be the base of EVERY CYCLE, EQ and Win is stupid, EQ alone is stupid.

Read the threads marked IMPORTANT with red letters.

[redz]

Hopefully you wont be needing to use your dick any time soon.

[gymfu]

So your doing the eq only anyway? Why bother asking us? Nobody told you that was a good idea.

[Provita]

If I may, I would like to make this suggestion.

Set yourself goals. Train and eat for a specific goal. (It looks like you want to get ripped, thus Goal=body Fat Drop). No steroid will help you achieve that. The story that is going around that you burn fat and gain muscle at the same time is a MYTH. Your bodies processes does not work that way. Train hard with a lot of cardio and eat clean. You will then have a good LMB. If you have then reached your goals set new ones. Your first couple of goals will be easy achievable without aas. In fact, with your BF% as is, aas will hinder your goals.

"I dont want to get huge, I just want to get ripped and have solid muscle." The path you are on is not going to give you that result!!