Test prop/ Mast prop/ Tren Ace/ Var cycle

[rage223]

Hey all,

Starting my cycle. I pinned 50mg test prop and 50mg mast prop on Friday to start up and have a few questions.

Heres my layout and proposed plan:

1-10 test testosterone propionate - 50mg eod
1-8 trenbolone ace 25mg every other day first 2 weeks then bump it to for 2 weeks and then 75mg for last 4 weeks.
3-9 Anavar - oxandrolone - 50-80mg every day
1-10 Masterone 100mg every other day or Monday wednsday friday at the least
1-10 Prami .25mg every 3 days or caber .5mg eod (thoughts?)
1-6 HCGenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
6-10 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - @ 250iu 2x ew
1-10 aromisin 12.5mg every 3 days (do i need this while running test this low?)10-16 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks and then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm the last 2 weeks
10-14 Phytoserm-347 1 cap am and pm
14-18 bridge 1 cap 3 times a day

human growth hormone - somatropin - @ 2iu ED for first 4 weeks then upping it .5iu every week there after until sides appear or I hit 5iu for a few weeks. Then Going to taper up to 8iu. Legit Source and on the way. Pretty excited for this cycle and for the next because of what I heard about human growth hormone - somatropin - and its synergy with Steroids once it has brought up your IGF1 levels (6 mths in). Im starting this as soon as it comes and going to run it for 6-8mths.





Ok so I finally got everything and have started this cycle as of last night. Placebo for all the energy I had 3 hrs post my first pin? Had to be but I feel great! First pin went smooth as smooth can go.

I started this week with 50mg test testosterone propionate and 50mg (100mg for the mast testosterone propionate hear after) mast propionate. That was the first pin. This is where I plan to keep my injects.

The trenbolone ace I will add in wed after New Years. I want to start at 25mg eod for a week or 2 and then up it to 50mg eod for a few weeks and then try out 75mg eod for the last 4 weeks I'm on trenbolone. I have never run it before and all the horror stories have me a little uneasy about it! So please advise and convince me I'm not going to die from this stuff! Lmao

The Reason for the low test dose is that I want to avoid any sides that the trenbolone usually causes and after reading a ton of threads it seems low test/ higher trenbolone is the best way to go.

Questions:
When should I start adex or the aromasin that I have? At what dose? Running this low of test testosterone propionate and the mast will I need an aromatase inhibitor? I also have formastanzol

I have caber from source and prima from rui, start one or the other the day I start the trenbolone correct? Which do you prefer or find works best? Dose?
I'm sure there will be a laundry list of questions to come and I will keep this updated as I go though my cycle.

I have before pics and will post everything so you can see the progression. Starting weight 178-182lbs and 11-12% bf I think

[rage223]

Me now right before first pin. Hoping the trenbolone and diet kills the belly fat. Hate that shit

Any input is appreciated and est bf% because these electronic readers suuck!

[Lunk1]

Hey all,

Starting my cycle. I pinned 50mg test prop and 50mg mast prop on Friday to start up and have a few questions.

Heres my layout and proposed plan:

1-10 test testosterone propionate - 50mg eod 8 weeks just like the prop...no need to run it out longer
1-8 trenbolone ace 25mg every other day first 2 weeks then bump it to for 2 weeks and then 75mg for last 4 weeks. Start at 50mg and stay there
3-9 Anavar - oxandrolone - 50-80mg every day
1-10 Masterone 100mg every other day or Monday wednsday friday at the least I'd run this at 600mg EW for the 8 weeks
1-10 Prami .25mg every 3 days or caber .5mg eod (thoughts?) Keep it on hand....
1-6 HCGenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
6-10 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - @ 250iu 2x ew
1-10 aromisin 12.5mg every 3 days (do i need this while running test this low?)10-16 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks and then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm the last 2 weeks Aromasin 12.5 EOD and you could use it or the Caber/Prami, one or the other for sure!
10-14 Phytoserm-347 1 cap am and pm
14-18 bridge 1 cap 3 times a day

human growth hormone - somatropin - @ 2iu ED for first 4 weeks then upping it .5iu every week there after until sides appear or I hit 5iu for a few weeks. Then Going to taper up to 8iu. Legit Source and on the way. Pretty excited for this cycle and for the next because of what I heard about human growth hormone - somatropin - and its synergy with Steroids once it has brought up your IGF1 levels (6 mths in). Im starting this as soon as it comes and going to run it for 6-8mths.





Ok so I finally got everything and have started this cycle as of last night. Placebo for all the energy I had 3 hrs post my first pin? Had to be but I feel great! First pin went smooth as smooth can go.

I started this week with 50mg test testosterone propionate and 50mg (100mg for the mast testosterone propionate hear after) mast propionate. That was the first pin. This is where I plan to keep my injects.

The trenbolone ace I will add in wed after New Years. I want to start at 25mg eod for a week or 2 and then up it to 50mg eod for a few weeks and then try out 75mg eod for the last 4 weeks I'm on trenbolone. I have never run it before and all the horror stories have me a little uneasy about it! So please advise and convince me I'm not going to die from this stuff! Lmao

The Reason for the low test dose is that I want to avoid any sides that the trenbolone usually causes and after reading a ton of threads it seems low test/ higher trenbolone is the best way to go.

Questions:
When should I start adex or the aromasin that I have? At what dose? Running this low of test testosterone propionate and the mast will I need an aromatase inhibitor? I also have formastanzol

I have caber from source and prima from rui, start one or the other the day I start the trenbolone correct? Which do you prefer or find works best? Dose?
I'm sure there will be a laundry list of questions to come and I will keep this updated as I go though my cycle.

I have before pics and will post everything so you can see the progression. Starting weight 178-182lbs and 11-12% bf I think

I put you at 12-13%

[rage223]

5ft 10in.

Not my first cycle. I did Anavar and winny solo and stacked cycles for a while and then used pro horomones like helladrol a few times.

Ran an injectable cycle of test euth/cyp blend at 500mg ew and Mast E at 500mg ew. for 12 weeks and it was by far the best cycle I have ever done. I just didnt like the Bloat and the fat face look. I wanted to go with a short ester because I have read about less bloat and am turned on by tren because of well because its supposed to be the best stuff around and will get me to my goals of single digit BF% and some pretty nice lbm gains.

I have everything on hand I just want to do this as safely and side free as I can.

[rage223]

I appreciate the replies and I do have Clomid and Nolva but will not use them for pct. Especially Nolva after the use of tren . Read that is a bad bad combo.

My pct is more of a natty approach and has worked for myself and several of the guys in the gym and for my "source" after his 2 years "on" stint.

Pct:
Post cycle
Unleashed
Forma as stated above
vit e 800iu ed
Torem 30mg ed May toss as its a cousin to nolva
toco-8
Hcg 500iu ew up until pct start
phytoserms

mk-2866 @ 25mg ed



These ^^^ have worked very well in the past and for others harder cycles then I have done or am about to embark upon. I have bloods to prove that as well and cycle logs on ************.com reguardless. I appreciate the help you guys are offering. And I will be making changes to my cycle because of your advice. THANKS!

Im open to hearing more opinions

[MickeyKnox]

thanks for the quick reply ^^^

Clearification on this part though

Use both Aromasin and the caber(or prima) is what you mean? and at those doeses correct? I just dont want to over do the Aromasin and completely anialate my estrogen levels. I will be doing blood test every 4 weeks. May even do them every 2 just to be sure of where Im at and that Im dosing correctly.

AI on cycle @ EOD protocol. Dopamine agonist on hand.

Anavar is a waste with Tren. Use it on another cycle

Not at the dosing protocols he has listed. Imho, Var will compliment his cycle.

[MickeyKnox]

Where in the world did you get this "cycle"?? Is this your first cycle?

Hey all,

Starting my cycle. I pinned 50mg test prop and 50mg mast prop on Friday to start up and have a few questions.

Heres my layout and proposed plan:

1-10 test testosterone propionate - 50mg eod
1-8 trenbolone ace 25mg every other day first 2 weeks then bump it to for 2 weeks and then 75mg for last 4 weeks. Choose an amount and stick with it. Do not titrate up or down.
3-9 Anavar - oxandrolone - 50-80mg every day Either first 6 wks or last 6 wks. Keep it simple.
1-10 Masterone 100mg every other day or Monday wednsday friday at the least Not enough.
1-10 Prami .25mg every 3 days or caber .5mg eod (thoughts?) You likely wont need to include this on cycle. But keep on hand.
1-6 HCGenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm Forget this nonsense
6-10 HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - @ 250iu 2x ew Start from beginning
1-10 aromisin 12.5mg every 3 days (do i need this while running test this low?)10-16 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks and then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm the last 2 weeks Drop this. But run Aromasin EOD min.
10-14 Phytoserm-347 1 cap am and pm
14-18 bridge 1 cap 3 times a day

PCT!! Clomid and Nolva

human growth hormone - somatropin - @ 2iu ED for first 4 weeks then upping it .5iu every week there after until sides appear or I hit 5iu for a few weeks. Then Going to taper up to 8iu. Legit Source and on the way. Pretty excited for this cycle and for the next because of what I heard about human growth hormone - somatropin - and its synergy with Steroids once it has brought up your IGF1 levels (6 mths in). Im starting this as soon as it comes and going to run it for 6-8mths.

I have never used HGH. No commnet. But Gixx knows about this stuff.

Starting weight 178-182lbs and 11-12% bf I think How tall are you?

[rage223]

thanks for the quick reply ^^^

Clearification on this part though

1-10 aromisin 12.5mg every 3 days (do i need this while running test this low?)10-16 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks and then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm the last 2 weeks Aromasin 12.5 EOD and you could use it or the Caber/Prami, one or the other for sure!

Use both Aromasin and the caber(or prima) is what you mean? and at those doeses correct? I just dont want to over do the Aromasin and completely anialate my estrogen levels. I will be doing blood test every 4 weeks. May even do them every 2 just to be sure of where Im at and that Im dosing correctly.

[Lunk1]

thanks for the quick reply ^^^

Clearification on this part though



Use both Aromasin and the caber(or prima) is what you mean? and at those doeses correct? I just dont want to over do the Aromasin and completely anialate my estrogen levels. I will be doing blood test every 4 weeks. May even do them every 2 just to be sure of where Im at and that Im dosing correctly.

Here is what I mean...since you are running such a low TRT dose of test then you may not have any E2 issues therefore the use of an AI is not needed. If this is the route you choose then you would still need to use the Caber or Prami for prolactin control since you are using a 19nor. You would still DEF. keep an AI on hand incase you have any E2 related sides.

If you choose to run a low low dose protocal of an AI (consider cutting your dose in half but running EOD), then you would be controling E2 and thereby cotroling prolactin. You would DEF. need to keep the Caber or Prami on hand.

Does this make sense?????

[OnTheSauce]

Anavar is a waste with Tren . Use it on another cycle

[rage223]

Yes that makes sense to me in a way.

If you choose to run a low low dose protocal of an AI (consider cutting your dose in half but running EOD), then you would be controling E2 and thereby cotroling prolactin. You would DEF. need to keep the Caber or Prami on hand.

Are you saying that by taking an AI such as aromasin or adex (im going to eat the rest of my adex first. I took .25mg today) is going control my prolactin level somehow? Because that I dont get lol how does this work if you dont mind my asking?

[kelkel]

For you to have prolactin issues it needs to be in the presence of elevated estrogen. Therefore, control your E and you won't have issues. Caber on hand or use it as it won't hurt you. Hell, I love caber. Your doing prop at 200 a week basically. I would surmise that a low dose of an AI would probably be needed. My thought would be to use adex at .25 twice per week. Or if you can cut that in half to 12.5 then eod.

Other than the above advice, I think the cycle is a bit much and you should keep it much more simple. At your stage of development simple can be very effective and efficient. More is not always better. Nutrition and training is what will work for you here, not excessive compounds, IMHO.

[MickeyKnox]

For you to have prolactin issues it needs to be in the presence of elevated estrogen. Therefore, control your E and you won't have issues. Caber on hand or use it as it won't hurt you. Hell, I love caber. Your doing prop at 200 a week basically. I would surmise that a low dose of an AI would probably be needed. My thought would be to use adex at .25 twice per week. Or if you can cut that in half to 12.5 then eod.

Other than the above advice, I think the cycle is a bit much and you should keep it much more simple. At your stage of development simple can be very effective and efficient. More is not always better. Nutrition and training is what will work for you here, not excessive compounds, IMHO.

The golden rule.

[lovbyts]

Yes that makes sense to me in a way.



Are you saying that by taking an AI such as aromasin or adex (im going to eat the rest of my adex first. I took .25mg today) is going control my prolactin level somehow? Because that I dont get lol how does this work if you dont mind my asking?

For you to have prolactin issues it needs to be in the presence of elevated estrogen. Therefore, control your E and you won't have issues. Caber on hand or use it as it won't hurt you. Hell, I love caber. Your doing prop at 200 a week basically. I would surmise that a low dose of an AI would probably be needed. My thought would be to use adex at .25 twice per week. Or if you can cut that in half to 12.5 then eod.

Other than the above advice, I think the cycle is a bit much and you should keep it much more simple. At your stage of development simple can be very effective and efficient. More is not always better. Nutrition and training is what will work for you here, not excessive compounds, IMHO.

Besides the AI and low doese test you are using Masterone and that also helps reduce prolactin sides from tren .

[fit2bOld]

For you to have prolactin issues it needs to be in the presence of elevated estrogen. Therefore, control your E and you won't have issues. Caber on hand or use it as it won't hurt you. Hell, I love caber. Your doing prop at 200 a week basically. I would surmise that a low dose of an AI would probably be needed. My thought would be to use adex at .25 twice per week. Or if you can cut that in half to 12.5 then eod.

Other than the above advice, I think the cycle is a bit much and you should keep it much more simple. At your stage of development simple can be very effective and efficient. More is not always better. Nutrition and training is what will work for you here, not excessive compounds, IMHO.

Have to jump in agree here Kel is spot on with estrogen control while running nors. Just finished a test/Tren cycle with good results and no sides other than a bit of night sweats the 2 nights after pinning. Estrogen control was a priority.

[rage223]

thanks I appreciate that advice^^^

[kelkel]

Just keep things in perspective rage. We all want to get bigger, even my old ars. Caveat is that we need to stay healthy along the way...

also, don't listen to all the gym "bro-science crap" as it will get you nothing but problems. Research everything....

[MickeyKnox]

Take it from Kel, he should know cause he really is old..

[kelkel]

Think I heard Mick say something but my miracle ear wasn't on and I didn't see any links. Must not have been him....

[largerthannormal]

Think I heard Mick say something but my miracle ear wasn't on and I didn't see any links. Must not have been him....

Hahaha

[Lunk1]

Think I heard Mick say something but my miracle ear wasn't on and I didn't see any links. Must not have been him....

[MickeyKnox]

Think I heard Mick say something but my miracle ear wasn't on and I didn't see any links. Must not have been him....

Thats ok, I'll loan you one of my several Game Ears ive purchased over the 10 hunting seasons. You can hear bambi sneaking up on you at 75 yards.

[rage223]

Well gear is legit. My bp is 148/ 89... What are you all taking to counter your bp sides?
I don't have my n2guard which may be here today or not. Should be soon but I have just started using cialis. As I read and it most certainly does lower my blood pressure. But feeling like my heart is going to explode is not so fun lol

[MuscleInk]

Well gear is legit. My bp is 148/ 89... What are you all taking to counter your bp sides?
I don't have my n2guard which may be here today or not. Should be soon but I have just started using cialis. As I read and it most certainly does lower my blood pressure. But feeling like my heart is going to explode is not so fun lol

You may need to get a script to treat the HTN as that's a bit high. Trying to manage your lipids as best as possible will serve to bring your BP down. Gear will screw with your LDL, HDL, triglycerides, and total cholesterol ad all of these things will negatively impact BP and lead to plaque sclerosis (atherosclerosis) over time.

[Lunk1]

Relax...didnt you just start the cycle?

[rage223]

I did just start. Only have had 3 injects. It's normal on cycle I know but I like to keep sides like this a bay. I didn't really think it would creep up this fast on me like this. And the new year screwed up shipping times on my support supps. I think ill be fine once the n2guard gets here.

Last cycle I never went over 130/85 I was on the n2guard though.. Stuff works pretty well. That and I have upped my water intake and will be lowering salt intake

[Granovich]

I did just start. Only have had 3 injects. It's normal on cycle I know but I like to keep sides like this a bay. I didn't really think it would creep up this fast on me like this. And the new year screwed up shipping times on my support supps. I think ill be fine once the n2guard gets here.

Last cycle I never went over 130/85 I was on the n2guard though.. Stuff works pretty well. That and I have upped my water intake and will be lowering salt intake

dude whats with that website crappy SUpplements. all those reps over the internet made you believe they are good
im sure you wasted over 500$ over stupid supplements. STOP buying those.... they dont work!

[rage223]

Got my new cuff reader. Bp today was 140/85... Not so bad. Safe to start the tren your guys think?
Im taking it throughout the day. I just really want to be on top of this. The good thing is that it takes a while for the HBP to do a lot of damage to your system soo that makes me feel a good bit better about it.

[rage223]

also, finasteride.. Good Idea to start using for shampoo? I have had zero problems with hair loss but would like to keep it that way.

Im going to go ahead and pin the tren today. I just checked my bp and it was 128/78... to be honest maybe Im just freaking out over nothing. I really cant even see how such a low amount of test and mast can cause that right away like that when I used 500mg test and the same amount of mast last cycle.

[rage223]

Pinned it. time to see what happens. Siked.

Starting my caber tonight before bed. .25mg

[copaaz]

You're not stranger to gear so let us know how the Tren goes. I'm running it on my next cycle so I'm curious.

[rage223]

So far so good. I had mild headache that could have come from anywhere but I usually don't get them. Went away with water. Have limited drinking to 2-3 beers a night at dinner and am going for my next injection today in my quad for the first time ever, wish me luck that I can still walk tomorrow.

Test/ tren / mast
50/25/150
Giving the tren 1 week to start feeling it before i decide to do 50mg eod. if I even do at a low dose like this. I know people say don't ease up or down but tbh this is tren and I don't know how ill react. I don't want to have a problem even though I feel ill be a-ok. I just got started and it's so hard not to want to just up my doses but I'm sticking to it. I'd love to do 100mg prop to but again trying to have no zero unbearable side effects.



Bp is great! 130/84 not to bad. Seems to be sticking there.
Gains wise. Not really to much to notice except my appetite is higher for sure, i look and am staying pumped longer as well as have more drive so I feel.

180-182lbs and sticking there so far.
Def mildly stronger in the gym but nothing special yet although I did incline 225 for 10 and my normal was around 4 off cycle. And managed to do 35 pull ups 4th set and my norm is 25max! I do sets of 20.


Cycles going well

[rage223]

15 days on^

Test/tren /mast/var
100/37.5/100 <<< eod/50ed

Feeling awesome. Zero bloat, zero sides, bp is under control thanks to n2 guard and krill oil. Dick is harder then a rock and the girl is loving it. Libido is super high! Lifts up for sure and I ended up feeling the need to leave the gym because of the looks I was getting. And I need to do more legs because to me I feel to big up top verses bottom.

[Granovich]

cut the HCGenerate, Bridge and that other thing
all those NTGM supplements are garbage and its all fake and waste of money
i tried HCGenerate, didnt do anything

[Lunk1]

My supp list!
Protein
Creatine Mono
Multi Vit
Fish oil
Magnesium (damn tren cramps)

[copaaz]

I have found that since I began taking glutamine, the morning after an intense workout I do not feel the muscle aches or cramps or whatever.

[rage223]

I mean I def have spent a ton of money on the supps. I hear back and forth about how they are bad or good. To be honest, I have used them in the past. Came back faster then I did when using clomid before on a light cycle and I dont feel like crap on them. Quite the opposite. I feel awesome.

My first attempt with steroids was an epic fail thanks to listening to a buddy at the gym who didnt know what it was to come off or how it felt. I had no clue what a pct was and the owner of those sites that sell this stuff reached out to me and literally gave me stuff to get me back to normal. I kid you not, with in weeks I felt great after having been shutdown from a wimpy ass anavar cycle for over 6 mths! I have the bloods to prove it. I would call it supressed really though. T levels in the 140's. I was screwed at that time, had a lot of anxiety and depression to because of it. Glad I gave his products a try and glad I tried steroids again and learned about them. Since I have always used his product and by god if they dont do something even if it is a plecebo, when I take them I feel fanominal.

Around my parts my entire gyms is eating this stuff up like candy. So many people cant be wrong epecially when I have first hand laid cycles out and had people come back with ease on only his products. To me $500.00 is a small price to pay for the peace of mind and im obviously not a rep for his company lol

just sayin, but I appreciate the advice

[Sick_beard]

I just don't get why anyone would need so much gear in a single cycle. I'm running a test only cycle, and I would die happy when the cycle is done. The results are simply breath taking and it still hasn't peaked yet... I just don't believe anyone would need so many powerful compounds in the same 10 weeks period.

[fit2bOld]

I just don't get why anyone would need so much gear in a single cycle. I'm running a test only cycle, and I would die happy when the cycle is done. The results are simply breath taking and it still hasn't peaked yet... I just don't believe anyone would need so many powerful compounds in the same 10 weeks period.

So right Sick beard but most these guys will just do what they want regardless. Even after they get facts and testimonials they dismiss it and move ahead anyway then come back and want help with gyno or ED

[Sgt. Hartman]

I just don't get why anyone would need so much gear in a single cycle. I'm running a test only cycle, and I would die happy when the cycle is done. The results are simply breath taking and it still hasn't peaked yet... I just don't believe anyone would need so many powerful compounds in the same 10 weeks period.

Because the results you're happy with wouldn't necessarily make everyone happy. You can only grow so much from a simple low dose test cycle and some people have maxed out what they can achieve with that type cycle and want results beyond that. Not saying OP needs that many compounds to grow though......

Good luck rage.