let the tren begin...

[tinknocker]

205lbs, 42 6'4' at 17% bf. 6 cycles under my belt... Ive used ( test cyp, t-400, deca )
Ok so Im gonna give tren e a shot. After reading a lot on here Im thinking test c/e at 150ml a week, tren e at 300ml week. Shot together, mon, wed. I have nolva and clomid for pct.this sound ok for my first go with tren?? My question is what and how much should i run for prolaction control??

[Antonious]

Caber is best, 0.25 mg twice a week (0.50 mg a week total). Get caber in tablet form as liquid is unstable.

[Antonious]

Here is a good thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...d#.UUtqqr-9Kc0

[Provita]

Your bf a bit high, maybe get it down to 15%.

What about AI & HCG ?

[Bio-Active]

It's just my opinion but you will not see the benefit from running Tren unless you are leaner. 10% or below in my opinion

[stpete]

205lbs, 42 6'4' at 17% bf. 6 cycles under my belt... Ive used ( test cyp, t-400, deca )
Ok so Im gonna give tren e a shot. After reading a lot on here Im thinking test c/e at 150ml a week, tren e at 300ml week. Shot together, mon, wed. I have nolva and clomid for pct.this sound ok for my first go with tren?? My question is what and how much should i run for prolaction control??

More than one thing wrong here. And i'm going out on a limb here, but your diet and training are way off. At your height, weight and 6 cycles under your belt, i'd say something is wrong.

Your pinning times are off for this cycle. As for prolactin control, did you use anything when you ran deca?

Can you give us a run down on your previous cycles(at length) and your diet? And your training, what's that like? How often and a brief look at it.

Thanks.

[Lunk1]

Pin Mon and Thur! WSince you are running a very low (trt) dose of test then you may get by without an AI! You will def. want to use Caber or Prami and heep an AI on hand. If elevated E2 signs are notice then introduce the AI

[AlinSR]

It's just my opinion but you will not see the benefit from running Tren unless you are leaner. 10% or below in my opinion

Yes it may work better at a lower bf, but it will still work at a higher bf.

[tinknocker]

Ok, my buddy just told me was full of it... he is sayin I'm about 12% max... to be honest, I haven't had it checked lately. The first cycle I ever did was just deca , by itself. 300ml a week for 8 weeks. My second was also deca, 450ml a week for 12 weeks. Then came test.. 400ml a week for 12 weeks. Then deca and test on the next two cycles both deca and test... 4th cycle deca at 350ml and test at 400ml 12 weeks. 5th was deca at 450ml and test at 600ml. 12 weeks. I got married and stopped training hard for 7 years. Back at it hard for 1 year now, I just ran test at 600ml a week. Lunk1, you were right, I shot mon 4am and thurs 4pm. That's what I intend to do now except ill be running tren e at say 300ml anf test at 150ml . Stpete, no, I have never used an ai on cycle. Just clomid and nolva for pct. And to be honest when I did deca the first two cycles I didn't even know about pct. That was 8yrs ago tho... I am here to learn the right/sane way to do this... as for my diet I shoot for 350grams of protein a day, ( chicken, fish, bars and shakes) I use a pre workout drink, and take amino acids... when I'm on cycle I go 6 days then off 2. Training 2 bodyparts a day, chest n tris, back n bis, shoulders n legs. I work my whole body twice in a week. Originally I was thinking about front loading with d bol at 40 mg a day for the first 4 weeks and running test weeks 1-12 at 600ml with tren e at 300ml. Then I read Atomini's all you need to know about tren and re thought my cycle. Does it make any since to front load if the cycle now centers around tren and not test...?

[Mrcivil]

It's just my opinion but you will not see the benefit from running Tren unless you are leaner. 10% or below in my opinion

Yes and no depends on what you are usin tren for if you are using it as a cutting cycle yes but you can bulk in tren and you can use tren for strength purposes if that's your cup of tea I run tren for powerlifting comps and the strength kick is amazing.

I would consider running tren a instead of e if it's your first time on tren just incase you can't deal with the sides being that it is out of your system faster if it doesn't agree

[gearbox]

Ok, my buddy just told me was full of it... he is sayin I'm about 12% max... to be honest, I haven't had it checked lately. The first cycle I ever did was just deca, by itself. 300ml a week for 8 weeks. My second was also deca, 450ml a week for 12 weeks. Then came test.. 400ml a week for 12 weeks. Then deca and test on the next two cycles both deca and test... 4th cycle deca at 350ml and test at 400ml 12 weeks. 5th was deca at 450ml and test at 600ml. 12 weeks. I got married and stopped training hard for 7 years. Back at it hard for 1 year now, I just ran test at 600ml a week. Lunk1, you were right, I shot mon 4am and thurs 4pm. That's what I intend to do now except ill be running tren e at say 300ml anf test at 150ml . Stpete, no, I have never used an ai on cycle. Just clomid and nolva for pct. And to be honest when I did deca the first two cycles I didn't even know about pct. That was 8yrs ago tho... I am here to learn the right/sane way to do this... as for my diet I shoot for 350grams of protein a day, ( chicken, fish, bars and shakes) I use a pre workout drink, and take amino acids... when I'm on cycle I go 6 days then off 2. Training 2 bodyparts a day, chest n tris, back n bis, shoulders n legs. I work my whole body twice in a week. Originally I was thinking about front loading with d bol at 40 mg a day for the first 4 weeks and running test weeks 1-12 at 600ml with tren e at 300ml. Then I read Atomini's all you need to know about tren and re thought my cycle. Does it make any since to front load if the cycle now centers around tren and not test...?

Wow. I am not sure who you were getting advise from but deca by itself is one of the worst ideas you can do.
I would expect you to educate yourself more before running more cycle les so you do not damage yourbody further.
If estro is controlled then prolac sides should not be a problem. But good to have caber on hand but dont run it

[tinknocker]

I ran deca alone 8 yrs ago. Back then everyone I knew was running deca or test...alone. I was one of the first people in my circle to really start researching what I was doing and using a pct plan. I'm older and wiser now, that's why I'm here, to learn from knowledgeable people and make smart choices...

[tinknocker]

I have know idea where to get caber. Sad to say but the friends I asked that are using tren get the deer in the head light look when I asked if they were running caber or prami...

[Lunk1]

I have know idea where to get caber. Sad to say but the friends I asked that are using tren get the deer in the head light look when I asked if they were running caber or prami...

You can get liquid Prami from the site sponsor above. You really need to run this while using a 19nor to avoid possible prolactin related gyno and keep an AI handy!!!

[Squats33]

Yes it may work better at a lower bf, but it will still work at a higher bf.

Promoting a source in your name!

[copaaz]

It's just my opinion but you will not see the benefit from running Tren unless you are leaner. 10% or below in my opinion

Very dumb statement here. Really? Useless? Even with a higher BF tren is good for cutting. Who said cutting has to mean that you are trying to get shredded to below 6% BF? If you want to use it to cut from 18% to 12% then it's still a good compound to help with that. So to say it's useless if false.

[trenhead1]

Very dumb statement here. Really? Useless? Even with a higher BF tren is good for cutting. Who said cutting has to mean that you are trying to get shredded to below 6% BF? If you want to use it to cut from 18% to 12% then it's still a good compound to help with that. So to say it's useless if false.

I did tren at around 30% body fat and around 18 stone for a first cycle it was awsome got me down to 20% body fat and 14 stone and propa got me on track to now

[tinknocker]

Yes and no depends on what you are usin tren for if you are using it as a cutting cycle yes but you can bulk in tren and you can use tren for strength purposes if that's your cup of tea I run tren for powerlifting comps and the strength kick is amazing.

I would consider running tren a instead of e if it's your first time on tren just incase you can't deal with the sides being that it is out of your system faster if it doesn't agree

so what do you think... front load with 30/40 mg d bol first 4 weeks...??

[Mrcivil]

so what do you think... front load with 30/40 mg d bol first 4 weeks...??

It depends on your goals mate as I was saying if you consider going with tren a instead of tren e you won't need to front load with dbol as its in your system pretty quick even if you pin eod ( I usually start to notice it in my system within a week ) also if you are looking at this as a cutting cycle I wouldn't bother with dbol as it does bloat you a bit. So as I was saying if your cutting drop dbol run with tren a in case anything doesn't go well with the tren it will be out of your system faster. If on the other hand your doing as a bulk cycle by all means load the dbol the tren will keep a bit of the bloat off you

[lovbyts]

I did tren at around 30% body fat and around 18 stone for a first cycle it was awsome got me down to 20% body fat and 14 stone and propa got me on track to now

Everyone has different goals and ideas of what awesome or good re results are. I have seen a lot of pictures of people on cycle claiming to have good/great results when in truth or at least IMO after their cycle they are still FAR from being ready to cycle.

I have to agree with the lower body fat statements above. I dont know about 10% but most defiantly below 15%.

Here is a little visual that is pretty close in regards to body fat. Where do you think you are in regards to this?

[Java Man]

The guy in the 10-12% spot is too skinny too get a clear idea what that should look like.