Basic question about Test and Metabolic Rate

**Mr.Pitch** · 03-24-2013, 06:22 PM

Hey everyone,

I recently made my first post over in the new members section. My thread was called "Hey everyone! New member here". If you'd like, you can take a look at that to understand where I stand currently, stat wise and knowledge wise etc. If you happen to read my post you'll see that I have NOT cycled yet, and do NOT plan to cycle until I have gathered sufficient knowledge regarding AAS and their proper use!

***DISCLAIMER: KIND OF LONG POST, I APOLOGIZE

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With that being said, I do have an extremely newbie question to ask you guys about Test in general. So I understand that a test only cycle at 500mg/wk is the recommended beginner cycle (with PCT/SERM, AI etc). However there is something which I've been interested in learning but haven't been able to find on my own.

So I understand that with the exception of a FEW compounds (tren I believe?) that AAS do not burn fat specifically. But you can bulk or cut with any compound because it comes down to diet. Now my question is, will supplementing with test (ie a beginner cycle of 500mg/wk for 12 weeks) increase my BMR? I ask this because I know that when people cycle, you must know how to eat properly and enough to actually make gains. This is where my problem lies, I LOVE to eat, I can upwards of 5000 calories with ease, I was blessed with an amazing appetite you could say hehe

, however, the problem is that I was cursed with a horrendous metabolism lol, I could bulk on 2600 calories lol.

So I understand that there are things like Primo which can help build mass while in a deficit. So my question is, will a beginner cycle of test increase my BMR.

Example (Hypothetical): If I currently cut on 2000 calories (natty), If I do a beginner cycle, would I now be able to cut on say 3000 calories? (Hypothetical number).

I apologize if this isn't making sense, I've tried my best to explain what I've been curious about.

I only ask because since I know that diet plays such a vital role when using AAS, I want to make sure that I will actually be benefiting from cycling. What I mean is, If I can currently bulk on 2600 cals, I wouldn't really be interested in cycling if my new bulking calories would barely increase.

If this is all confusing, then I guess we can just refer back to the 300mg vs 600 mg test study that is in the stickies on some forums. The participants who dosed at 600mg/wk for 20 weeks GAINED roughly 17 lbs of lean mass and LOST roughly 2.5 lbs of fat while eating a generous amount of kcals.

Again, I apologize if this doesn't make sense, but in the event that you DO understand what I mean, any help is appreciated ! Thanks in advance!

**Bonaparte** · 03-24-2013, 06:35 PM

Yes, androgens increase BMR.

**Mr.Pitch** · 03-24-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Yes, androgens increase BMR.

Thanks for the quick reply! I'm glad you were able to understand my rambling. So just one more question, if androgens do in fact increase BMR, would anyone mind briefly explaining how it is exactly that the participants in the study gained muscle and lost fat on a test only cycle? Does test also build muscle on a deficit or does it have some other property which allows you to drop fat if you're slightly above maintenance? Thanks!

**AlinSR** · 03-24-2013, 07:37 PM

Test will indirectly burn fat.

**Bonaparte** · 03-24-2013, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Pitch

Thanks for the quick reply! I'm glad you were able to understand my rambling. So just one more question, if androgens do in fact increase BMR, would anyone mind briefly explaining how it is exactly that the participants in the study gained muscle and lost fat on a test only cycle? Does test also build muscle on a deficit or does it have some other property which allows you to drop fat if you're slightly above maintenance? Thanks!

The human body can build muscle on a (mild) caloric deficit if it has a proper nitrogen balance (aided through hormones, genetics, and good nutrition). It uses fat stores for energy while using new cals for muscle building. But this is only usually possible if you are a newbie to lifting, or on steroids . Any steroid can help serve this cause, not just primo. But to really get this, you'd have to study human metabolism in depth.

**kelkel** · 03-24-2013, 07:45 PM

Increase your LBM = elevated BMR.

**Bonaparte** · 03-24-2013, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Increase your LBM = elevated BMR.

Yes, but androgens (along with insulin , T3, and IGF-1) directly increase BMR, independently of any change in body mass.

**kelkel** · 03-24-2013, 08:01 PM

Absolutely. Matter of fact I just started a run with Sermorelin recently. Want to see how that goes.

**Mr.Pitch** · 03-24-2013, 08:53 PM

Wow, a lot of replies already! Thank you guys for taking the time to explain this in basic terms, I understand what it was I was curious about in the OP now so thank you. And sorry if I came across as a huge noob. Like I mentioned in my intro thread on the new members section, there are some things I do not about AAS use and such however there is still a lot I don't understand so I appreciate you guys taking the time to help out! I'm looking forward to my first cycle next year (granted I've researched enough by then)