prami or bromocriptine or nothing?

**optionsdude** · 04-03-2013, 09:34 AM

I had some health issues recently so I cut the deca at week 8 of my testc deca cycle. I have not had any prolactin issues but wanted to play it safe so I wanted to start an anti prolactin. I have bromo but was concerned about sides so I ordered liquid prami from ARR. I did the recommended dosage I found in some other posts of .25 ml or .25mg before bed and when I woke up I felt like shit and thought I was going to barf for sure. I started sweating like crazy. I drank a bunch of water ate some oatmeal and managed to ride it out. Felt horrible most of the day. I really don't want to take prami again I don't like feeling like that. Is bromocriptine worse? Or should I just not worry about it until I get some sort of prolactin issues. I am running an AI,liquidex,and everything seems ok no puffy nipples my erection problems.

**ChiveOn** · 04-03-2013, 09:48 AM

Bromo is pretty rough. Some have issues with prami, which is why it's recommended before bed. Caber is best if you can get your hands in it.

If sides suck B6 and vitamin E are great for prolactin control. I'm gonna run my tren cycle with just these two. 400-500mg B6 and 1000iu of E and you'll have no issues

**optionsdude** · 04-03-2013, 10:01 AM

Thanks chive I'll give it a try. I was only on 300mg weekly of deca and 400mg of test c. So prob not an issue but want to be safe. I'll try the B6 and vit E.

**ChiveOn** · 04-03-2013, 10:06 AM

Always best to play it safe. The B6 and E seems to be more popular lately. And although they do work well at controlling prolactin there's not a whole lot of research on it replacing prami/caber entirely. Plus a lot of B6 can be uncomfortable on your CNS. Tingles etc...

Ill be startin a log on it for my next cycle at the end of May

**optionsdude** · 04-03-2013, 10:11 AM

Cool I'll be looking for your log and thanks again.

**Juced_porkchop** · 04-03-2013, 11:43 AM

DO NOT TAKE EXTRA VITE! NOT if its what 99% of shelf brands sell! you want to AVOID alpha-tocopherol all you can!

I dont feel liek typing out a book, but here are the basics i found from an ad (they are a shit company, but on point about vite with this one)

Technically speaking, Toco-8 is a natural Vitamin E supplement, but to call it a "natural Vitamin E supplement" puts it in the same category as every other generic Vitamin E product on the market. The fact is, the natural Vitamin E found in your local supplement shop or grocery store is not natural at all. Rather, almost all Vitamin E products on the market are actually synthetic Vitamin E; a potentially dangerous and cheap byproduct of soybean oil, known as alpha-tocopherol (Go ahead, take a look on your vitamin label).
What makes Toco-8 different than every other Vitamin E?

First, it's important to understand that Vitamin E is actually a term used to describe a family of nutrients. Most people think that there is only one Vitamin E, when in fact there are 8 different members that make up the Vitamin E family, listed below...

The tocopherol family:

alpha-tocopherol
beta-tocopherol
gamma-tocopherol
delta-tocopherol

The tocotrienol family:

alpha-tocotrienol
beta-tocotrienol
gamma-tocotrienol
delta-tocotrienol.

All of them have important functions in the body and each a unique action. Unfortunately, the only form that's been readily available is the alpha-tocopherol (contained in most generic Vitamin E supplements).

The popularity of alpha-tocopherol stems from the fact that it is an incredibly abundant and cheap form of Vitamin E. In the early 1900's, during the popular time of vitamin discovery, alpha-tocopherol appeared to be the only Vitamin E utilized in the body, because it happened to be the only vitamin E easily detected in blood. (Tocotrienols tend to accumulate and protect the liver, brain, and subcutaneous tissues, while being very hard to detect in blood.) It wasn't until recently that the other forms of Vitamin E, such as the tocotrienols, began to be uncovered as very important nutrients for human health.

The irony is that most Vitamin E products claim to be "natural" because the Vitamin E is naturally extracted from soybean oil, but then synthetically altered to create pure alpha-tocopherol. So, we miss out on all the other forms, and end up with something very unnatural. This creates a major imbalance. For instance, the National Academy of Sciences recently announced that supplementing with alpha-tocopherol alone depletes the body of the other members of the Vitamin E family. This is a problem because it is the "other" Vitamin E's that show the most impressive benefits for improving cardiovascular health and hair regrowth.

Most alarming, is that tocotrienols are already extremely low in Western diets, while being simultaneously depleted by the ever dominating alpha-tocopherol supplementation! Tocotrienols should be first on your list of supplements!
So what's so special about these Tocotrienols and what are the benefits?

Tocotrienols are short & slippery. That's right. Due to a unique stereochemical shape, and short "tail" in their phytyl chain, Tocotrienols have increased cellular mobility. Imagine natural tocotrienols as the "short & slippery" forms of Vitamin E that can pass through cytosol and cell membranes to impart their positive effects, rather than becoming clustered like a synthetic form of alpha-tocopherol.

You've probably heard people tell you to "get your vitamins from natural sources". Now you can, with Toco-8. That's because Toco-8 is an all natural extraction which preserves the perfect natural ratio of all 8 tocotrienols and tocopherols with a high ratio of tocotrienol content. To say that Toco-8 is superior to other vitamin E supplements would be an understatement. Toco-8 is a revolution for vitamin supplementation and male health.

The specific ratio of vitamin E's in Toco-8 offer the following unique benefits:

Clinically proven to prevent hair loss and increase the number of hairs by an average of 42%
Proven to help reduce cholesterol while improving the HDL : LDL ratio
Maintains healthy artery function by reducing atherosclerotic plaque
Helps support testosterone production by maintaining optimum pituitary & testicular function

**Juced_porkchop** · 04-03-2013, 11:45 AM

I would get Prami and have it on hand, if you need it start low, 0.25-0.5mg pre-bed.

**warmouth** · 04-03-2013, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

Bromo is pretty rough. Some have issues with prami, which is why it's recommended before bed. Caber is best if you can get your hands in it.

If sides suck B6 and vitamin E are great for prolactin control. I'm gonna run my tren cycle with just these two. 400-500mg B6 and 1000iu of E and you'll have no issues

Screw that noise! Caber is where its at. Where is the fun in B6? LOL. Caber4Life! Its a helluva drug.

**ChiveOn** · 04-03-2013, 02:09 PM

Well I DID say caber was best lol

**optionsdude** · 04-03-2013, 08:22 PM

I'm never taking prami again. I will get some caber for my next blast with deca . JuicedPC thanks for the explanation of vit E I appreciate it. I'm sure whole foods will have the right one (I hope). .25 mg of prami made me feel sick for a whole day I can't operate like that.

**ChiveOn** · 04-03-2013, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

DO NOT TAKE EXTRA VITE! NOT if its what 99% of shelf brands sell! you want to AVOID alpha-tocopherol all you can!

I dont feel liek typing out a book, but here are the basics i found from an ad (they are a shit company, but on point about vite with this one)

Technically speaking, Toco-8 is a natural Vitamin E supplement, but to call it a "natural Vitamin E supplement" puts it in the same category as every other generic Vitamin E product on the market. The fact is, the natural Vitamin E found in your local supplement shop or grocery store is not natural at all. Rather, almost all Vitamin E products on the market are actually synthetic Vitamin E; a potentially dangerous and cheap byproduct of soybean oil, known as alpha-tocopherol (Go ahead, take a look on your vitamin label).
What makes Toco-8 different than every other Vitamin E?

First, it's important to understand that Vitamin E is actually a term used to describe a family of nutrients. Most people think that there is only one Vitamin E, when in fact there are 8 different members that make up the Vitamin E family, listed below...

The tocopherol family:

alpha-tocopherol
beta-tocopherol
gamma-tocopherol
delta-tocopherol

The tocotrienol family:

alpha-tocotrienol
beta-tocotrienol
gamma-tocotrienol
delta-tocotrienol.

All of them have important functions in the body and each a unique action. Unfortunately, the only form that's been readily available is the alpha-tocopherol (contained in most generic Vitamin E supplements).

The popularity of alpha-tocopherol stems from the fact that it is an incredibly abundant and cheap form of Vitamin E. In the early 1900's, during the popular time of vitamin discovery, alpha-tocopherol appeared to be the only Vitamin E utilized in the body, because it happened to be the only vitamin E easily detected in blood. (Tocotrienols tend to accumulate and protect the liver, brain, and subcutaneous tissues, while being very hard to detect in blood.) It wasn't until recently that the other forms of Vitamin E, such as the tocotrienols, began to be uncovered as very important nutrients for human health.

The irony is that most Vitamin E products claim to be "natural" because the Vitamin E is naturally extracted from soybean oil, but then synthetically altered to create pure alpha-tocopherol. So, we miss out on all the other forms, and end up with something very unnatural. This creates a major imbalance. For instance, the National Academy of Sciences recently announced that supplementing with alpha-tocopherol alone depletes the body of the other members of the Vitamin E family. This is a problem because it is the "other" Vitamin E's that show the most impressive benefits for improving cardiovascular health and hair regrowth.

Most alarming, is that tocotrienols are already extremely low in Western diets, while being simultaneously depleted by the ever dominating alpha-tocopherol supplementation! Tocotrienols should be first on your list of supplements!
So what's so special about these Tocotrienols and what are the benefits?

Tocotrienols are short & slippery. That's right. Due to a unique stereochemical shape, and short "tail" in their phytyl chain, Tocotrienols have increased cellular mobility. Imagine natural tocotrienols as the "short & slippery" forms of Vitamin E that can pass through cytosol and cell membranes to impart their positive effects, rather than becoming clustered like a synthetic form of alpha-tocopherol.

You've probably heard people tell you to "get your vitamins from natural sources". Now you can, with Toco-8. That's because Toco-8 is an all natural extraction which preserves the perfect natural ratio of all 8 tocotrienols and tocopherols with a high ratio of tocotrienol content. To say that Toco-8 is superior to other vitamin E supplements would be an understatement. Toco-8 is a revolution for vitamin supplementation and male health.

The specific ratio of vitamin E's in Toco-8 offer the following unique benefits:

Clinically proven to prevent hair loss and increase the number of hairs by an average of 42%
Proven to help reduce cholesterol while improving the HDL : LDL ratio
Maintains healthy artery function by reducing atherosclerotic plaque
Helps support testosterone production by maintaining optimum pituitary & testicular function

I'm at work ATM but this has peaked my interest...

**havanakid** · 04-03-2013, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by optionsdude

I had some health issues recently so I cut the deca at week 8 of my testc deca cycle. I have not had any prolactin issues but wanted to play it safe so I wanted to start an anti prolactin. I have bromo but was concerned about sides so I ordered liquid prami from ARR. I did the recommended dosage I found in some other posts of .25 ml or .25mg before bed and when I woke up I felt like shit and thought I was going to barf for sure. I started sweating like crazy. I drank a bunch of water ate some oatmeal and managed to ride it out. Felt horrible most of the day. I really don't want to take prami again I don't like feeling like that. Is bromocriptine worse? Or should I just not worry about it until I get some sort of prolactin issues. I am running an AI,liquidex,and everything seems ok no puffy nipples my erection problems.

I understand you want to play it safe and thats just fine but imo if you had no issues with gyno I dont see why you need to take anything at all especially since you took your lquidex and estrogen levels seemed to be under control.From personal experience when I did my test c/Deca cycle a few months ago at 500/500mgs had absolutely no issues with prolactin or gyno of any kind and only took 200mgs of vitamin b6.100 mgs in the morning and another 100 in the afternoon.I had prami on hand but its sitting sealed in my medicine cabinet.Its like taking aspirin for a headache you think you may have.I think youll be fine bro.Save your prami for your next cycle or caber if you get your hands on it.Just my thoughts.

**optionsdude** · 04-05-2013, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by havanakid

I understand you want to play it safe and thats just fine but imo if you had no issues with gyno I dont see why you need to take anything at all especially since you took your lquidex and estrogen levels seemed to be under control.From personal experience when I did my test c/Deca cycle a few months ago at 500/500mgs had absolutely no issues with prolactin or gyno of any kind and only took 200mgs of vitamin b6.100 mgs in the morning and another 100 in the afternoon.I had prami on hand but its sitting sealed in my medicine cabinet.Its like taking aspirin for a headache you think you may have.I think youll be fine bro.Save your prami for your next cycle or caber if you get your hands on it.Just my thoughts.

Thank you havanakid I'm going to play it that way.absolutely no issues was just trying to be cautious,I know it was only 300 mg but it was a step up for me.

**mr.slippyfist69** · 04-05-2013, 06:52 AM

SO, what I'm reading from other here is I should not run my prami everyday unless i need it? This is confusing to me because I have read other threads about Prami and most seasoned members on the thread said run it though the whole cycle if juicing 19 nors . Is this wrong? I don't feel anything from the prami, I guess people tolerate it different.

**optionsdude** · 04-11-2013, 01:23 AM

Ok I think my reaction to prami was related to a med that I take,lyrica. When I looked up prami drug interactions lyrica was one and it was listed as moderate interaction. I don't know why I didn't research this before I ordered it I'm usually good about checking for interactions before I take anything. B6 and vitE seem to be doing good. I could only find a vitE blend of tocopherol and tocotrienol I'll keep looking for one with just tocotrienol.