Prop/mast/var 8 weeks!! Opinions

**bubba136** · 04-11-2013, 05:03 AM

hey guys, new to the forum. first post.. been lifting for about 6-7 years consistent, 1 cycle under my belt. former college baseball player, been an athlete my whole life. type 1 diabetic, eat very clean healthy and of course i have learned to use insulin (humolog) to my advantage very well. planning on running my 2nd cycle.

here are my stats

26years old
6'2 1/2
190lbs
10.3% BF
3000-5000cal intake a day
cycle history
test E 400mg 12 weeks

planning on running an 8 week cycle
TEST PROP 75MG EOD (1-8)
MAST P 75MG EOD (1-8)
ANAVAR 60MG ED (1-8) OR 100MG (3-8). NEED HELP DECIDING!
what gains should i be expecting with these 3 compounds? have done extensive research and it seems this is exactly what I'm looking for, lean bulk and still be athletic.

PCT
NOLVA 20/20/20/20
clomid 25/25/25/25

will this be sufficient enough?

will be more than happy to accept opinions from anyone! especially diabetics with previous cycle experience.

**krugerr** · 04-11-2013, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by bubba136

hey guys, new to the forum. first post.. been lifting for about 6-7 years consistent, 1 cycle under my belt. former college baseball player, been an athlete my whole life. type 1 diabetic, eat very clean healthy and of course i have learned to use insulin (humolog) to my advantage very well. planning on running my 2nd cycle.

here are my stats

26years old
6'2 1/2
190lbs
10.3% BF
3000-5000cal intake a day
cycle history
test E 400mg 12 weeks

planning on running an 8 week cycle
TEST PROP 75MG EOD (1-8)
MAST P 75MG EOD (1-8)
ANAVAR 60MG ED (1-8) OR 100MG (3-8). NEED HELP DECIDING!
what gains should i be expecting with these 3 compounds? have done extensive research and it seems this is exactly what I'm looking for, lean bulk and still be athletic.

PCT
NOLVA 20/20/20/20
clomid 25/25/25/25

will this be sufficient enough?

will be more than happy to accept opinions from anyone! especially diabetics with previous cycle experience.

Hey there, firstly welcome to the forums. With regards to your stats, 10.3% bodyfat is very lean, what are your goals for this cycle? Cutting further? Bulking? Your weight is a little on the light side, in my opinion, but we'll see what the others think.

Your diet, 3000-5000cal is an extremely vague outline. Break it down for us please, whats your TDEE? What do you actually eat and with the macros please, this will greatly help. I suspect that you're not calculating it correctly because if thats what you eat, you should be a lot heavier with more BF.

With regards to the actual cycle, I think there is no real need for you to use the Masteron , you dont have enough cycle experience, and the suggest dose is quite low anyway. The test dose looks a little low as well, giving 300mg/wk and 225mg/wk in alternating weeks. The anavar would be sufficient at 60mg/day. No mention of AI or HCG usage.
However we'll discuss this further once we get more information.

**bubba136** · 04-11-2013, 06:17 AM

Being a diabetic I am limited to 3 heavy carb meals day with protein snacks in between. And yes I do stay around 3000-3500 cal mark a day. Will go over 4000 every once in a while. Here's what a typical day consists of, never eat the same thing 2 days in a row, I alternate. Here it is

9am (heavy meal)
A typical Breakfast would be
4 egg whites
2 whole wheat toast
oats
Multivitamin
Whey protein w (2%milk)
Or banana oatmeal, granola, eggs. I switch it up

12pm (protein only)
protein shake w/ water
Chicken, cheese

2pm (heavy meal)
Whole wheat pasta, brown rice, or baked pototoe
Chicken/fish
Green beans or any type of beans

5pm (preworkout)
Fruit
Granola bar
Protein shake w/ water

7pm (post workout) heavy meal.
Brown rice, whole wheat pasta or baked potatoe
Chicken, meat or fish
And a veg on the side
Protein shake w/ water

9pm
Turkey or ham
Cottage cheese

11 pm (Pre bed)
Casein
And more turkey

Feel free to add anything!

**bubba136** · 04-11-2013, 06:23 AM

My goal is to get more cut and more of a defined hard look. i will have an ai on hand although I'm pretty sure i won't be needing it with the test being run at a low dose. and i was also under the impression that mast can be used as an ai to certain extent. and whats your take on var being run at 100ed?

**kronik420** · 04-11-2013, 06:23 AM

week 1-8 test p 100mg EOD
week 3-8 anavar 100mg ED
week 1-8 arimidex .25mg EOD
week 1-8 HCG 250iu 2x/week
week 3-8 UDCA, and/or Liv 52. (liver protection)

PCT 3 days after last pin
nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

your welcome

**songdog** · 04-11-2013, 06:37 AM

Yes you do need a ai and like said above your diet needs work.There is to wide of a gap in your cals.Figure out wat you want to do and figure out your diet.Then post it in the diet section with macros and goals.They will help you.Beacuse you aint cutting with 3000 to 5000 cals.

**Sfla80** · 04-11-2013, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

week 1-8 test p 100mg EOD
week 3-8 anavar 100mg ED
week 1-8 arimidex .25mg EOD
week 1-8 HCG 250iu 2x/week
week 3-8 UDCA, and/or Liv 52. (liver protection)

PCT 3 days after last pin
nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

your welcome

Agree with this, but not need to start anavar first time at 100mg. Dose range for anavar is 60-100mg Ed. Always start on lower end and see how your body reacts.

What was your first cycle btw??

**austinite** · 04-11-2013, 06:44 AM

Get rid of that milk brother.

**bubba136** · 04-11-2013, 06:45 AM

My first cycle was 12 weeks test e 400mg.
So anavar for 60 or 100? Still debating. And I'm not a fan of hcg on cycle especially a beginner cycle (can hinder gains). Rather use it post if anything which I stiill think i won't need. Not being shut down to hard here

**Sfla80** · 04-11-2013, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by bubba136

My first cycle was 12 weeks test e 400mg.
So anavar for 60 or 100? Still debating. And I'm not a fan of hcg on cycle especially a beginner cycle (can hinder gains). Rather use it post if anything which I stiill think i won't need. Not being shut down to hard here

Personally I would start anavar at 60mg. Maybe someone else will disagree.

Hcg should be used on cycle, better prevention then fixing.

Shut down is shut down man.

**krugerr** · 04-11-2013, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

Yes you do need a ai and like said above your diet needs work.There is to wide of a gap in your cals.Figure out wat you want to do and figure out your diet.Then post it in the diet section with macros and goals.They will help you.Beacuse you aint cutting with 3000 to 5000 cals.

Songdog hit the nail here, you will not be cutting at this calorie window, as I said earlier, for your weight and bodyfat, you arent eating like this currently. This would be serious bulking. Thanks for posting the diet, but we need the macros from it, so we need to know the protein/Carb/Fat splits for the meals.

Originally Posted by goode80

Agree with this, but not need to start anavar first time at 100mg. Dose range for anavar is 60-100mg Ed. Always start on lower end and see how your body reacts.

What was your first cycle btw??

Agree here too, I think 100mg/ED for a first time user is high, and its especially high for someones second cycle when they're proposing Masteron as well and with a screwy diet

Originally Posted by bubba136

My first cycle was 12 weeks test e 400mg.
So anavar for 60 or 100? Still debating.

I personally think for a your cycle experience that you dont need the Mast or the Anavar. These are great compounds but if you're not using them correctly or dieting correctly, they'll be wasted. Save your money and spend it on good food.

-Krugerr

**kelkel** · 04-11-2013, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by bubba136

My first cycle was 12 weeks test e 400mg.
So anavar for 60 or 100? Still debating. And I'm not a fan of hcg on cycle especially a beginner cycle (can hinder gains). Rather use it post if anything which I stiill think i won't need. Not being shut down to hard here

You need to do more research on HCG . Value your testicals and HPTA.

**Granovich** · 04-11-2013, 09:58 AM

i dont know why the other guys took masteron out of the cycle.. it should be very good at nice dose and even help with fat loss

**Sfla80** · 04-11-2013, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

i dont know why the other guys took masteron out of the cycle.. it should be very good at nice dose and even help with fat loss

It's his second cycle. No need for three compounds.

**bubba136** · 04-11-2013, 11:14 AM

Yes I will definitely look more into fixing my diet, and into hcg . Ok so if I were to choose between var and mast, which one would benefit me more?

**krugerr** · 04-11-2013, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by bubba136

Yes I will definitely look more into fixing my diet, and into hcg. Ok so if I were to choose between var and mast, which one would benefit me more?

The Anavar I suppose. But it's still depends on your diet. The masteron is not a good suggestion for a 2nd cycle, in my opinion. There is a good thread about Anavar, I suggest you take a read, it may help you make a better educated guess.

**Sfla80** · 04-11-2013, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by krugerr

The Anavar I suppose. But it's still depends on your diet. The masteron is not a good suggestion for a 2nd cycle, in my opinion. There is a good thread about Anavar, I suggest you take a read, it may help you make a better educated guess.

Anything you take is dictated by diet man. So head to the nutrition section, copy and paste the diet you posted here, and the experts will tune it up for you.

And the thread he is referring to is called "anavar , not a mild compound" I believe. ( sorry that's why I originally quoted krugerr) lol

**krugerr** · 04-11-2013, 01:08 PM

Many thanks Goode, thats the thread I meant.

**bubba136** · 04-11-2013, 02:15 PM

Great read on the anavar !
Finally Will be running
prop 100mg eod
var 60mg Ed
Arimidex .25 eod
now should I run the var for 6 or through the full 8 weeks?

still doing more research on hCg

**Sfla80** · 04-11-2013, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by bubba136

Great read on the anavar !
Finally Will be running
prop 100mg eod
var 60mg Ed
Arimidex .25 eod
now should I run the var for 6 or through the full 8 weeks?

still doing more research on hCg

Stick to last 6 wks. Right up to your pct.

**bubba136** · 04-11-2013, 02:48 PM

Will do that. I was thinking 8 weeks is a little long for first time var user. It will be run for 6 weeks 60mg Ed

Forgot to mention I am very active throughout the day. I do a mile run every morning before I start the day. And I play basketball about 4-5 times a week for a about 2 hours

**Sfla80** · 04-11-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by bubba136

Will do that. I was thinking 8 weeks is a little long for first time var user. It will be run for 6 weeks 60mg Ed

Forgot to mention I am very active throughout the day. I do a mile run every morning before I start the day. And I play basketball about 4-5 times a week for a about 2 hours

That's good, now if you get that diet in check this will be nice cycle. Also the hcg . Good luck man. Should think about logging this for others.