cut cycle. tried tren, do not like the mental effects.

**BBJT200** · 04-13-2013, 04:51 PM

About to hop on another blast.
Plan is to drop from 15% to 10% asap, then bulk. 10% is all that's required to get back into the studio, so that's my top priority.

Current stats:
200lb, 15%, 5'9".

Goal:
10% 200lb.

Cycle history:
1) 600mg test e 12wk.
2) 1g test e 12wk, 60mg var 6wk
3) 4wk 100mg ed turinabol +trt dose test e
4) 8wk 150mg eod test p, tren a, mast p.

Plan:
Intermittent fasting protocol, 18hr fast 6hr feed. (Traditional bb diet makes me fat regardless of macros, idk why. But I.F. works well)
Two-a day sessions: am fasted cardio w bcaas, afternoon fasted lift with cardio following, heavy bcaas during this session. Followed by a 6hr feed.
Aiming for 3k cals (2600 is maintenance)
300g protein, 225g cho, 100g fat.

8 weeks:
150mg/wk test e trt protocol
300mg test p eod (1050mg/wk)
100mg var e.d.
100mcg clen ed, ketofen(3mg,7d) every 10 days
100mcg t3/day

Thinking of adding npp or mast prop.
Given I am already running a dht, I am leaning towards npp. I would use tren as Its the best aas for my current goals, but the mental sides are bad for me. I turn into a paranoid douchebag that can't talk to people. When I ran tren, I was using the high carb low fat approach and it just made me overly fat. Maybe with I.f. it would work better for me. Idk.

Cost is not an issue here whatsoever. I am just looking for the best benefit in the smallest amount of time; doing a prep for a porn film. I won't touch hgh as I am so young. Aas isn't a concern with my age due to trt, but I have plenty of gh natrually so I won't waste it.

So what do you guys think, npp, suck it up with tren, or go with mast p? Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks!

**--->>405<<---** · 04-13-2013, 05:05 PM

a porn film u say???

**Tron3219** · 04-13-2013, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

a porn film u say???

Hahaha that's what I got outta that

-Chomp Chomp Chomp-Clink Clink Clink-

**auswest** · 04-13-2013, 05:16 PM

You missed length and girth from your stats, please edit stats to give a better idea of what were working with here

**--->>405<<---** · 04-13-2013, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

Hahaha that's what I got outta that

-Chomp Chomp Chomp-Clink Clink Clink-

LMAO.. hey man, just keepn it real in here..

**Lunk1** · 04-13-2013, 05:41 PM

For your goals and at your current stats...run what you have proposed. Mast simply is not anobolic enough to through in there and it's real benifit wont shine through unless you were already under 11-12%

**songdog** · 04-13-2013, 06:10 PM

OP is 20 yrs old

**Lunk1** · 04-13-2013, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

OP is 20 yrs old

OOOOPs....Dont do ity

**BBJT200** · 04-13-2013, 06:36 PM

21 years old. Trt due to primary failure.
7.5".

Age is out of the equation for me when it comes to deciding whether or not to cycle. There is nothing I can damage any worse than is already done in terms of my hpta.

**Lunk1** · 04-13-2013, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by BBJT200

21 years old. Trt due to primary failure.
7.5".

Hah...can you get some autographs for me

got pics of me and Ron at the AVA

**MickeyKnox** · 04-13-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by BBJT200

About to hop on another blast.
Plan is to drop from 15% to 10% asap, then bulk. 10% is all that's required to get back into the studio, so that's my top priority.

Current stats:
200lb, 15%, 5'9".

Goal:
10% 200lb.

Cycle history:
1) 600mg test e 12wk.
2) 1g test e 12wk, 60mg var 6wk
3) 4wk 100mg ed turinabol +trt dose test e
4) 8wk 150mg eod test p, tren a, mast p.

Plan:
Intermittent fasting protocol, 18hr fast 6hr feed. (Traditional bb diet makes me fat regardless of macros, idk why. But I.F. works well)
Two-a day sessions: am fasted cardio w bcaas, afternoon fasted lift with cardio following, heavy bcaas during this session. Followed by a 6hr feed.
Aiming for 3k cals (2600 is maintenance)
300g protein, 225g cho, 100g fat.

8 weeks:
150mg/wk test e trt protocol
300mg test p eod (1050mg/wk)
100mg var e.d.
100mcg clen ed, ketofen(3mg,7d) every 10 days
100mcg t3/day

Thinking of adding npp or mast prop.
Given I am already running a dht, I am leaning towards npp. I would use tren as Its the best aas for my current goals, but the mental sides are bad for me. I turn into a paranoid douchebag that can't talk to people. When I ran tren, I was using the high carb low fat approach and it just made me overly fat. Maybe with I.f. it would work better for me. Idk.

Cost is not an issue here whatsoever. I am just looking for the best benefit in the smallest amount of time; doing a prep for a porn film. I won't touch hgh as I am so young. Aas isn't a concern with my age due to trt, but I have plenty of gh natrually so I won't waste it.

So what do you guys think, npp, suck it up with tren, or go with mast p? Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks!

You didn't happen to be on Tren when we first met in that other thread, were you?

On a serious note, i think that BJ is a rare exception to my self imposed age rule, for me at least. He has proven to be responsible, experienced, and educated enough, to safely and properly use AAS, imho.

**crazy mike** · 04-13-2013, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

You didn't happen to be on Tren when we first met in that other thread, were you?

On a serious note, i think that BJ is a rare exception to my self imposed age rule, for me at least. He has proven to be responsible, experienced, and educated enough, to safely and properly use AAS, imho.

I've gotten to know BBJ and have a sense that he is very knowledgeable. His history sounds valid , truthful and with good personal experience. . Easy to figure out but if he's been there and knows his body with accurate testing then again he is in the know with his question. So with all that I say I agree with Mickey also. I vouch for him, if I can be taken truthfully. ...crazy not mike

**Lunk1** · 04-13-2013, 07:31 PM

Is there still a risk to one endo even given the TRT at 20 y.o.?? Curious???

**crazy mike** · 04-13-2013, 07:37 PM

For me and I am experienced. I have temper issues and anger and rage naturally with the "Bi-Polar I" disorder all my life. Tren can be tough. In your case, I say stay away from Tren, not worth the risk. Really do yourself a favor my friend and leave the Tren on the shelf OR send it to me...haaaaa, joke

...Crazy mike

**BBJT200** · 04-14-2013, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

You didn't happen to be on Tren when we first met in that other thread, were you?

On a serious note, i think that BJ is a rare exception to my self imposed age rule, for me at least. He has proven to be responsible, experienced, and educated enough, to safely and properly use AAS, imho.

Yeah...I was...

Originally Posted by crazy mike

For me and I am experienced. I have temper issues and anger and rage naturally with the "Bi-Polar I" disorder all my life. Tren can be tough. In your case, I say stay away from Tren, not worth the risk. Really do yourself a favor my friend and leave the Tren on the shelf OR send it to me...haaaaa, joke

...Crazy mike

I bet that would be tough. Especially adding something like tren into the mix with being bi-polar!
I think i'm gonna let the tren sit on the shelf for a while. It's not like it's going to go bad....maybe I'll try it again in the future and see if my luck changes.

I think I'm going to throw in NPP in the mix. I have plenty of it, and since I'm looking to gain 20lbs LBM, drop 20lbs BF, I may as well add NPP.
Thanks for the suggestion on masteron ; perhaps I will get some mast E and plug that in at the end of my cycle for during the time I'm actually at work and around 10%.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-14-2013, 12:17 AM

The only mental effect I get on tren is increased aggression. I get pissed much easier than normal now that I'm on. Other than that it's not bothering me too much mentally. It does disturb my sleep sometimes though. What kind of mental sides did you experience?

**BBJT200** · 04-14-2013, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

The only mental effect I get on tren is increased aggression. I get pissed much easier than normal now that I'm on. Other than that it's not bothering me too much mentally. It does disturb my sleep sometimes though. What kind of mental sides did you experience?

I had a permanent scowl on my face. It was extremely difficult to talk to anyone in a friendly manner. It just made me very, very angry...all the time.
Any little thing would piss me off--I burned my hand on the stove, so I hit the stove. I burned my mouth eating hot food, so what did I do? I ate it more aggressively to teach it a lesson. and then cried when my mouth was bleeding from burns. The first 4 weeks were fine, the last 4 weeks of the cycle were hell.
Tren is obviously a no-go for me at 525/week.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-14-2013, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by BBJT200

I had a permanent scowl on my face. It was extremely difficult to talk to anyone in a friendly manner. It just made me very, very angry...all the time.
Any little thing would piss me off--I burned my hand on the stove, so I hit the stove. I burned my mouth eating hot food, so what did I do? I ate it more aggressively to teach it a lesson. and then cried when my mouth was bleeding from burns. The first 4 weeks were fine, the last 4 weeks of the cycle were hell.
Tren is obviously a no-go for me at 525/week.

I do see where you're coming from with that. I'm only 3 weeks in. Just bumped up to 525 earlier this week cause I have extra and sides weren't bad. Hopefully my anger will stay in control haha. I'm pretty good at holding those feelings inside. When I'm alone though sometimes I'll just hit a wall or yell or something when I'm pissed. My neighbors probably think I'm crazy sometimes.

**BBJT200** · 04-14-2013, 04:04 AM

Yeah...might be too much. It is strong after all....my lifting was absolutely pathetic and inconsistent on that cycle. I think it was due to the mental effects the high dose tren had on me, looking back.
Maybe ill just do 100eod and leave it at that. 350/wk was fine in terms of sides until I bumped it up