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    Quandary is offline New Member
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    Question: Novice Cycle and Winnie Substitute

    Hello,
    About to start a cycle and have had great success following the cycles in the information section of this website to the letter in the past, so i was going to follow "Novice Cycle #2-2":
    Test cyp (wks 1-8) EQ (Wks 1-10) Test P (wks 9-12) Winstrol (wks 7-12)

    It recommends Wistrol at 50mg/eod from weeks 7-12, im not to keen on the winnie as i suffer from hair loss (currently treating with proscar).

    Is there anything i could substitute in place of Winstrol? Or can/should i just leave it out completely?

    Have done a lot of reading but interested to hear your thoughts...

    thanks in advance!

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    Anavar you could use but if you suffer from hair loss wont test make you loose your hair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic
    Anavar you could use but if you suffer from hair loss wont test make you loose your hair?
    DHT derivatives induce male pattern baldness

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    What are you trying to acomplish? Are you following cycle #2 just because or do you feel strongly about using EQ?

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    What are your complete Stats? And disregard the "Novice" cycles on the front page. They are being updated to reflect current protocols.

    Age
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    Body Fat %
    Previous AAS exp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    What are you trying to acomplish? Are you following cycle #2 just because or do you feel strongly about using EQ?
    Good question! ha ha

    Seriously, i only cycle once a year, so I am trying to gain lean mass that i can keep once coming off cycle. I do like the appetite inreasing effects of the EQ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    What are your complete Stats? And disregard the "Novice" cycles on the front page. They are being updated to reflect current protocols.

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    Weight
    Body Fat %
    Previous AAS exp.
    Lifting Exp
    Ok, cool:

    Age: 32
    Weight: 183lb
    Height: 6' 1"
    Lifting 10 years
    Done 2 pretty basic test based cycles, didnt start until my 30's

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    Bf%?

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    Never had it professionally measured but i'd be in the 10-12% from your pic.

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    MickeyKnox is offline Banned
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    Ok.

    With the above stats and info i feel that you may be a bit light for AAS. Ideally i like to see at least 195lbs on a 6ft man. Bit i have cycled with a bit less than that. Also your BF is low so you have nice lean muscle to build upon.

    Have a peek at this thread and it will give some solid ideas on cycles. Everything is up to date and current, imho.

    **Most Common Beginners Cycles**

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?517175-Most-Common-Beginners-Cycles-Look-here..#.UJZv62fX_fs

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    Ok thanks. I used to be 200lb+ but sorted out my diet in the past two years and reduced body fat cosniderably as i am still lifting the same weight but am physically much lighter.

    I will check out that thread then i might post back in hear if i have any questions after i digest it.

    thanks for your time.

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    You're welcome.

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    Ok, so my last cycle i basically ran 500mg Test E for 12 weeks and front loaded with D-bol for the first 4 weeks, same as the last cycle in the Novice Cycles Thread. I only used Arimdex during cycle then Nolvadex for PCT on the advice of info on the front page.
    This time around i will use Hcg during cycle with Nolvadex for PCT
    I didnt see this in the Hcg benefits thread, but can you please confirm, is it injected in the stommach?

    Second question, I think i will just do the same cycle again but use Test C this time. Would it hurt if i used EQ for 10 weeks also?
    I know this is a lame ass reason but i already have the EQ and i can't get d-bol at the moment....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quandary View Post
    Ok, so my last cycle i basically ran 500mg Test E for 12 weeks and front loaded with D-bol for the first 4 weeks, same as the last cycle in the Novice Cycles Thread. I only used Arimdex during cycle then Nolvadex for PCT on the advice of info on the front page.
    This time around i will use Hcg during cycle with Nolvadex for PCT
    I didnt see this in the Hcg benefits thread, but can you please confirm, is it injected in the stommach? Yes, Subcutaneously.

    Second question, I think i will just do the same cycle again but use Test C this time. Would it hurt if i used EQ for 10 weeks also? I dont recommend EQ unless you already have it on hand and you have enough to run 16 wks at 600mg/wk minimum.
    I know this is a lame ass reason but i already have the EQ and i can't get d-bol at the moment..
    Also i would include Clomid and Nolva for PCT.

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