new to steriods need help to know what to do...

**luke31186** · 04-20-2013, 07:37 AM

Hello everyone I'm very very new to steriods and feel very dumb asking this but am afraid I messed up reading about roids...I'm 27 years old and have weighed about 138 for as long as I can rwmember and have tried gaining weight jus a little...wanted to be about 160...so I work with this guy and he's says he can hook me up...he sets me up on first 5 weeks of dbol and anavar at 50mg each a day then 5 weeks of anadrol and tbol 50mg each day .I'm in week 7 and a half what should I do...he acted li ke it was no big deal and after reading a while I'm kinda of worried I have no real side effects that I see but what should I take to come off of them and should I finish the 2 more weeks and if so should I take something with them ..I know I messed up but just wondering if someone could direct me what to do...been reading and don't really understand a for sure thing to do...thank u in advance...and again I know I'm dumb for not researching in advance just need direction on what to do know thanks...

**Bio-Active** · 04-20-2013, 07:55 AM

You are running an oral only cycle? If so I would stop what your doing now. You can make better gains with nutrition alone. Hit the nutrition forum and post up your meal plan. Keep reading and learning before considering the use of any aas again

**Back In Black** · 04-20-2013, 08:09 AM

What PCT do you have on hand?

**Gaspaco** · 04-20-2013, 08:16 AM

138 lbm, height?

**jaswave125** · 04-20-2013, 08:32 AM

I assume a guy who's dum enough to advise you that cycle does not what pct is, stop right now! Your liver is ****ed up from all of that oral roids. Buy yourself some nolvadex and clomiphine take it for 4 weeks with dosage of. 40/20/20/20mg and 75/50/50/50mg respectively.

**luke31186** · 04-20-2013, 04:51 PM

Hello everyone and thanks for all the replys...gaspaco-I'm not sure what lbm is but I guess its something bout body fat which I have to be bout the lowest I'm a small guy cut good but no bulk and I'm bout 5'9"....back in black-I don't have any pct. I didn know I needed them to jus reading up on them...I thought the oral wasn that dangerous figured shots was worse and the guy that got them for me acted like it was no big deal and now I see they are...I would jus like someone to start me on recovery give me a plan or something...jaswave-will this be all I need to buy or is there something else I need to do also...I'm sorry also bout not researching first...I just didn realize t he risks and he acted like there was none...but thanks...

**MickeyKnox** · 04-20-2013, 06:32 PM

You have lots going on here Luke.

1. You indicated that you're on 4 separate orals and have been for 7 wks. Yet you have experienced no sides whatsoever. Have you made any gains? If so, how much? What do you currently weigh?

2. LBM = lean body mass. This is determined by subtracting your BF% from your total weight. At 5'9z' and 138lbs youre WAAAY to skinny to even think about using AAS.

3. I would stop right now regardless of where you are in your "cycle" and run a proper *PCT. And then i would not touch AAS until you have gained 30-40lbs naturally.

4. In the meantime please research as much as you can on THIS site and you'll discoverer for yourself how unhealthy and irresponsible running 4 orals, or oral only cycles are. And you'll also discover how important AI's are to control E2 levels and what happens when E2 is left unchecked for prolonged periods of time, and why a recovery plan is so important.

*PCT =

Clomid 75/50/50/50 <---- if using tabs, 100mg first wk is fine.
Nolva 40/20/20/20

**luke31186** · 04-20-2013, 10:08 PM

Thanks mickey..I'm bout 155 now...so not much gain which didn work out much the first 4 weeks...but should everything be fine and go back to normal now if I take the pct plan u stated...

**MickeyKnox** · 04-21-2013, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by luke31186

Thanks mickey..I'm bout 155 now...so not much gain which didn work out much the first 4 weeks...but should everything be fine and go back to normal now if I take the pct plan u stated...

What about the remaining 3.5 wks up to now? Im trying to establish if your orals are under dosed or not - or completely fake.

Have you felt ANYTHING from the 4 orals you have been taking for the last 7.5 wks? Anything at all? Strength gains, bloating, acne, increased libido, aggression...ect?

Do you have any Nutritional knowledge? What has you diet been like? How many cals are you eating per day?

**luke31186** · 04-21-2013, 08:03 PM

Well the first 4 weeks I gained about 4lbs only... cause of not working out I'm guessing...and now I've gained an additional 13lbs 11 of them being since I started the anadrol 2.5 eeeka ago...I have felt like I have a lot of energy since first starting taking them...and I am getting stronger not sure how much but I did notice I've added 20 more lbs on my bar to curl when I'm working out...also I take in on an averge of about 3k calories a day...been doing that for bout 2 months prior to steriods also with no gains...I drink a lot of ensure and boost v8s and juice and eat lots of protein bars and try and eat nuts meat and lots of vegetables and fruit pretty wide variety on food but usually healthy other then the ocassional fast food...also I can not find a place to buy nolvadex and chromid...can u direct me where to buy some..

**MickeyKnox** · 04-21-2013, 08:07 PM

Clomid and Nolva can be obtained at Welcome to Ar-r.com!. Pick up your AI (Aromasin /Adex) too!

**kronik420** · 04-21-2013, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by luke31186

Well the first 4 weeks I gained about 4lbs only... cause of not working out I'm guessing...and now I've gained an additional 13lbs 11 of them being since I started the anadrol 2.5 eeeka ago...I have felt like I have a lot of energy since first starting taking them...and I am getting stronger not sure how much but I did notice I've added 20 more lbs on my bar to curl when I'm working out...also I take in on an averge of about 3k calories a day...been doing that for bout 2 months prior to steriods also with no gains...I drink a lot of ensure and boost v8s and juice and eat lots of protein bars and try and eat nuts meat and lots of vegetables and fruit pretty wide variety on food but usually healthy other then the ocassional fast food...also I can not find a place to buy nolvadex and chromid...can u direct me where to buy some..

you can buy liquid tamox (nolva) and liquid clomid from the ar-r .com (the banner at the top of the page)

p.s. don't expect to keep any 'gains'...

**Wes201** · 04-21-2013, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by jaswave125

I assume a guy who's dum enough to advise you that cycle does not what pct is, stop right now! Your liver is ****ed up from all of that oral roids. Buy yourself some nolvadex and clomiphine take it for 4 weeks with dosage of. 40/20/20/20mg and 75/50/50/50mg respectively.

X2 on this advise, and then go find the a****** who told you to take that stuff and kick him in the nuts! He's got absolutely no business recomending steroids to people. There are safe ways to use aas and there are your reckless and uneducated ways. Clearly this fool told you a reckless way of doing aas
Also go to amazon dot com and get some liv52 for your liver and start running it immediatley

**luke31186** · 04-22-2013, 03:47 AM

Was wondering about something...it says liquid form I'm guessing that means needles...I know nothing about shots is there any other way to take clomid and nolvadex ...also do I need al...and kronik why want I keep my gains...also I got some milk thistle for my liver does this work good or do I need something else...

**Back In Black** · 04-22-2013, 03:53 AM

You administer them orally no need to inject.

**kronik420** · 04-22-2013, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by luke31186

Was wondering about something...it says liquid form I'm guessing that means needles...I know nothing about shots is there any other way to take clomid and nolvadex...also do I need al...and kronik why want I keep my gains...also I got some milk thistle for my liver does this work good or do I need something else...

no, the liquid tamox/clomid is still taken orally, use an oral syringe to measure..

and your 'gains' are mostly water weight, you will loose it once you stop taking all those pills..

and your diet is obviously lacking..