TRT and another? maybe?

**testoment** · 04-26-2013, 03:41 PM

Hey Fellas,

I just started my TRT this week.

200mg of Test/week
1000 i.u. HCG /week (2-500 i.u. pins)
1 mg Anostrizole twice a week.

I am going to enjoy the benefits of my TRT for awhile but eventually I am thinking about adding something. Maybe Deca , maybe Dbol ? Would 200mg/week of Deca for 10-12 weeks suffice? or how about 20mg/day Dbol for 6 weeks? Looking to put on some nice quality lean mass. Doesn't have to be quick, I'd like to do it right. That's why I'm starting my planning now.

Thoughts? Suggestions on a good additive?

**MickeyKnox** · 04-26-2013, 03:51 PM

I would wait until you find home with your TRT first before considering an AAS cycle, otherwise you'll never find baseline. Its way more important for your body and system to maintain stable blood levels before you begin throwing a wrench into your endocrine system.

Respect your system. Dont be another backwards TRT thinker.

**testoment** · 05-01-2013, 11:43 AM

Yeah, I am going to run my TRT for at least 6-8 months. Then I would like to add on. Is that good or you think I should wait like a year?

**MickeyKnox** · 05-01-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by testoment

Yeah, I am going to run my TRT for at least 6-8 months. Then I would like to add on. Is that good or you think I should wait like a year?

After you find home with your TRT, then perhaps you could consider it. What are your current stats and lifting history?

**testoment** · 05-01-2013, 12:13 PM

32, 5'10, 190, 15-20%
Been lifting on and off since high school. I would say I have advanced knowledge when it comes to the gym and diets but novice when it comes to AAS.

**APIs** · 05-01-2013, 12:44 PM

As was mentioned, you should get dialed-in to TRT with follow-up Blood Work before adding anything. You're missing the whole point of TRT if you don’t. Its purpose is to restore hormonal balance & health which can’t be achieved if you’re altering your protocol. Besides, with proper training & diet you can make decent gains on 200/week anyway. I'm surprised your Doc would event start you at 200/week to begin with though. The Adex & HCG also appear to be on the high side...

**testoment** · 05-01-2013, 12:54 PM

I understand what you are saying which is why I plan on using only my TRT for 6-8 months, maybe even a year. But, with that being said, when I do decide to add something, I was just trying to get an idea of what to add at what doses. That's all I'm saying here.

And yes, I have heard my doses are high. I plan on talking to my doc about lowering the HCG and the AI

**APIs** · 05-01-2013, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by testoment

I understand what you are saying which is why I plan on using only my TRT for 6-8 months, maybe even a year. But, with that being said, when I do decide to add something, I was just trying to get an idea of what to add at what doses. That's all I'm saying here.

And yes, I have heard my doses are high. I plan on talking to my doc about lowering the HCG and the AI

No offense, but your thinking is skewed. TRT is for life, not 6-8 months. Didn’t your Doc explain this to you before starting?

**testoment** · 05-01-2013, 01:17 PM

Jesus, your not getting what Im saying. Never mind. Lol.

**Granovich** · 05-01-2013, 01:20 PM

he meant 6-8 months of straight 200mg/wk of test to see how he reacts to it before trying to blast with some other AAS

**testoment** · 05-01-2013, 01:21 PM

Thank you.

**MickeyKnox** · 05-01-2013, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by testoment

Jesus, your not getting what Im saying. Never mind. Lol.

I actually thought the same thing after reading your recent comments. So i can see why API felt you were only considering TRT for a short while.

Having said that, reduce your BF% closer to 15% and ensure you bloodwork supports the use of AAS. Until then, good luck to you - be smart be safe.

**kelkel** · 05-01-2013, 02:47 PM

Hopefully you doc pulls blood work in 6 weeks. All your doses are probably high in my opinion. Your goal should be to not need adex at all. Coupled with a proper dosing protocol and lower body fat it's very possible you can go without adex. I can practically guarantee that you will slowly crash your E2 to the floor at that amount and feel like crap. Consider this: The average test cycle is 500mg per week and the adex dosage is .25mg EOD. Do the math on that and compare it to your protocol.

I/we understand your excitement with this and you can make great progress just by restoring your T levels to normal. Spend some more time here. Read up on the twice per week injections protocols that a lot of us do. It will help greatly with E2 management. Basically less injected at one time ='s less of a spike in E2 levels. Example. I inject 60mg every 3.5 days and HCG at 250 IU every M-W-F. I do not need adex at this level. So, more is not better, better is better.

Get dialed in then if determined to make that next leap, visit the aas forum.

MK's first response was very much on-point here.

kel

**APIs** · 05-01-2013, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by testoment

Jesus, your not getting what Im saying. Never mind. Lol.

Oh, sorry bud...

**testoment** · 05-02-2013, 02:04 PM

Thanks for the great posts guys, I really appreciate the help. One thing I get confused on is everyone on here seems to keep saying less is better, 200mg/week is too much, etc. However, I am curious why its ok for guys to be running 500mg to 1000mg of test weekly on cycles? Do you tell them thats too much? I hope that doesn't sound snotty, cuz its not meant to be at all. Its just how can 200mg/week be too much when there is guys running 1g?

Is it because they are cycling so they take time of in between to restore back to natural, where as TRT is steady on?

**MickeyKnox** · 05-02-2013, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by testoment

Thanks for the great posts guys, I really appreciate the help. One thing I get confused on is everyone on here seems to keep saying less is better, 200mg/week is too much, etc. However, I am curious why its ok for guys to be running 500mg to 1000mg of test weekly on cycles? Do you tell them thats too much? I hope that doesn't sound snotty, cuz its not meant to be at all. Its just how can 200mg/week be too much when there is guys running 1g?

Is it because they are cycling so they take time of in between to restore back to natural, where as TRT is steady on?

Yes.

**testoment** · 05-02-2013, 03:56 PM

I see. Its hard cuz I get too damn excited and want instant results. I've done the natural thing my whole life. Grinded out drop sets, super sets, busted my ass dieting, ingested every supplement they sell. You only really get what your body will give you. I want veins and striations damn it! lol.

**MickeyKnox** · 05-02-2013, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by testoment

I see. Its hard cuz I get too damn excited and want instant results. I've done the natural thing my whole life. Grinded out drop sets, super sets, busted my ass dieting, ingested every supplement they sell. You only really get what your body will give you. I want veins and striations damn it! lol.

AAS is not a race, it's a marathon. Be patient grasshopper.

**kelkel** · 05-02-2013, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by testoment

I see. Its hard cuz I get too damn excited and want instant results. I've done the natural thing my whole life. Grinded out drop sets, super sets, busted my ass dieting, ingested every supplement they sell. You only really get what your body will give you. I want veins and striations damn it! lol.

I'll loan you a few...

**Papiriqui** · 05-02-2013, 04:45 PM

Those come with a lot less bf not AAS. Im natty still waiting to get to 10% before i cycle and now im seeing lots of veins. So yeah hard diet and you will get those veins and definition