Do I need to PCT

[Connectorhector]

So I have friends that just finished up on a 40ed tbol 50ed winny stack for six weeks and I must say they are both looking really good. Anyway I started the same stack four days ago and I'm a bit worried about not having a PCT. Neither of them did any just milk thistle two capsules a day. I'm 6'. 185 lbs. 36 yrs. low body fat. Good lean diet. Work out four days a week. Just worried about maybe clomid? Seems kinda harsh. Where do I get it. I asked here and it's a prescription for chicks? Wtf

[austinite]

If you're on for 4 days you should stop. At this stage there is no need for PCT. Your friends are not out of the woods yet, they could very well develop serious complications here soon. Dbol alone is a terrible idea to begin with.

[Connectorhector]

No tbol

[Connectorhector]

And this was their second time. Last summer was the same

[ChiveOn]

It really doesn't matter dbol or tbol. Either way they are making a mistake not unsung test as a base. And an even bigger mistake not having a pct on top of that

[Connectorhector]

Why do you say that exactly

[ChiveOn]

Dbol , tbol, winny, whatever. If its a test or test derivative it's going to shut down your natural production of testosterone . Which means to help minimize the risk of doing irreversible damage to your endocrine system you want to PCT to restart it. In addition to that test is used as a base to all cycles to help not only keep gains, since oral only cycles are notorious for lost gains, but also to keep testosterone flowin in your system period.
Your friends are playing roulette with thier bodies. Sure, they may bounce back right now but 10 years down the line? 20? See them in the Tesosterone Replacement Therapy forums....

[Connectorhector]

So pct it is. Why so negative? A good explained answer Is always nice instead of just big mistake. Cause too late. I'm looking for help and answers not sarcasm and negativity thanks. Anyone tell me why I should stop this stack? I guess part of the reason I did it was because i thought I needed no PCT. now that I need one (I think?) I'm open to some reasons why I shouldn't keep going. Seems fine for my buddies the last couple years. A little jealous maybe

[Connectorhector]

Ok thanks for your input. I appreciate it

[ChiveOn]

Read the stickeys on pct and it'll give you a better idea of the how's and whys. Then look into the banner for AR-R at the top. Ou can get your pct there

[ChiveOn]

And I apologize if I was short? We get a lot of the same questions and it seems like most people ask instead of actually doing research

[Connectorhector]

So test is needed or test is recommended. Doesn't it bloat you up? Everyone I know who's done it got all puffy. I guess I just never get much bigger with all the work I put in. I'm always low body fat good abs and defined and stuff but these last two cycles these two took sent them from under me to over top and I put in way more time and effort too

[Connectorhector]

I've done my share of reading up over the years so I'm not stupid about aas. But this stack seemed to work for them so I was gonna follow in tow I guess

[Connectorhector]

I don't have anybody that I actually talk to about it. These two buddies are not people I hang with just guys I've known from the gym for a few years. I'm kinda not telling anyone(wife friends) just doing it

[Banders]

Definitely, or your body won't recover to it's orginal state. I didn't do it on my first cycle and my body isn't the same, even 3 years later.

[ChiveOn]

Test doesn't bloat you. Poor diet and lack of an AI controlling estrogen levels is what will bloat you. You can cut or bulk with test. It's all how ou diet and train.
As far as sharing your usage... I wouldn't. Best to keep it to yourself or you'll most likely be judged. Or people that don't understand will say rediculous things like every time your upset its just "roid rage "

[Connectorhector]

Thanks chive on

[Connectorhector]

So just saying. You can do orals(w t sack)and pct after with or without test its just safer with test. Then why would are some doing without?

[Connectorhector]

Also can I start test now that I have already started this cycle I would be able to do it on day 9 or 10 or do I have to scrap this stack and do it another time

[ChiveOn]

Honestly, I would scrap it and try once you have a better grip on what you're doing. You need to PCT no matter what. And I haven't even hit on he topics of HCG or AI yet, although I'm sure you don't know what they are or how to properly use them. Not to be an a$$...

Stop and read the stickeys, if you're only a few days in you are still good to just drop it

By the way what were to dosing these compounds at?

[Connectorhector]

I don't know it all but yes hcg and ai are not unfamiliar to me. And I've read lots of threads of people stacking with no pct so that's why it didn't alarm me about this stack and that they had done it a couple times. I'm aware of the risks just not aware of each individual steroid and how it can or cannot be taken with others. From what I can see everyone kinda does it a bit differently. If really like to keep going with this I was pretty stoked to finally pick what I was going to do. Not too much info on this stack but a little( most with test). I'm 40ed tbol and 50 Ed winny. You make me a little nervous about it now giving me second thoughts that's not good. For me. I was kinda just hoping for a good PCT for this stack and a post picks. Lol

[ChiveOn]

Tbol is one of the weakest orals out there. It's generally recommended on this forum that you take between 80-100mg ED. Someone else will chime in and second pretty much everything I'm saying soon I'm sure. Do wha you want to do but personally, I wouldn't risk my health

[Connectorhector]

Ok thanks

[Connectorhector]

Can't I just start taking test now ?

[ChiveOn]

If you're pinning prop yes. But any other ester and you'll be wasting time cuz it won't kick in until the last week or two. And you really need a pct plan and an AI. Both of which you can get from the board sponsor