Not good!

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 09:02 AM

Ar-r sent me wrong product for pct Im doing 4 weeks h-drol 100mg ed and epi 50 mg ed,still have 2 days left so I can't pct I was thinking I have a source with test e now ca I do 8 weeks of that and be ok and pct after that? Please let me know what you guys think!

**Back In Black** · 05-03-2013, 09:05 AM

Get onto them and get them to send you the correct item then.

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 09:13 AM

With two days I don't know if it will happen that quick but im o it and trying,would that cycle be no good it's a total of 12 weeks ?

**Bio-Active** · 05-03-2013, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

With two days I don't know if it will happen that quick but im o it and trying,would that cycle be no good it's a total of 12 weeks ?

You should be able to get your stuff within a week. A couple days isn't going to make much difference

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 09:27 AM

Ok we'll hopefully we will see now what do you thing if I ran the test e for 8 weeks anyway lol. Because I just really started getting great gains and bf is almost 15% 1.5-2% above which I'm not worried about diet got tuned up just a little, so would me running this cycle be different from me just running a normal 12 week?

**Bio-Active** · 05-03-2013, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

Ok we'll hopefully we will see now what do you thing if I ran the test e for 8 weeks anyway lol. Because I just really started getting great gains and bf is almost 15% 1.5-2% above which I'm not worried about diet got tuned up just a little, so would me running this cycle be different from me just running a normal 12 week?

Not a good idea to be shut down that long. Your body needs time to recover. Just save it for down the road

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 09:43 AM

Ok I was just wondering because I see a lot of 12 week cycles?

**Back In Black** · 05-03-2013, 09:48 AM

How many different people do you need to tell you that you aren't ready to cycle?

How has your body fat dropped from 20% a few days ago to just over 15% now? I need your amazing fat loss secret.

**Bio-Active** · 05-03-2013, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

How many different people do you need to tell you that you aren't ready to cycle?

How has your body fat dropped from 20% a few days ago to just over 15% now? I need your amazing fat loss secret.

Me too

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 10:00 AM

20% was handheld and inaccurate I had a caliper test yesterday.

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 10:05 AM

This was about 2 weeks ago when I did the hand held lost 5 pounds since then.

**Back In Black** · 05-03-2013, 10:24 AM

Show us a pic without your hand over your abs, you look close to 20% to me from that photo.

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 10:36 AM

Ill take one later today I only have on from a couple months ago right now and I am close to 20% 17% is what caliper test said 16.5% to 17% is what the guy actually said idk y?

**Bio-Active** · 05-03-2013, 10:38 AM

Why would you want to cycle with your body fat that high?

**TbolzNdbols** · 05-03-2013, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Why would you want to cycle with your body fat that high?

agreed. I do 3 months minimal diet/cardio before starting my cycles and I'm usually sub 13%. Dude just put in the work naturally and things will fall into place when ready. I love how everyone wants results right away and as soon as possible. What ever happened to patience in the game? You will feel so much better if you diet, cardio for 3-4 months before starting the test. And you will most likely destroy your goals bro.

**Bio-Active** · 05-03-2013, 10:50 AM

My .02 cents would be to get as lean as you can before cycling. It will be worth it

**TbolzNdbols** · 05-03-2013, 10:52 AM

Jim btw easily top 5 bodies on this forum bar none. Wow thats my dream goal. Excellent work my friend

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 10:53 AM

Idk 17% isn't to much higher but ill wait it just is a weird balance with me, if I start to loss it's quick and I see arms and chest getting a lot smaller but ill get to 15% first then start thanks.

**TbolzNdbols** · 05-03-2013, 10:55 AM

Are you informing that you lose muscle when dieting and cardio naturally?

**Back In Black** · 05-03-2013, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

Idk 17% isn't to much higher but ill wait it just is a weird balance with me, if I start to loss it's quick and I see arms and chest getting a lot smaller but ill get to 15% first then start thanks.

So what, your gonna finish this PH, do PCT and then start a cycle straight away? Or finish this PH MAYBE at 17%, have to eat more and probably gain body fat during PCT and then cut down to 15% before you cycle?

You really need to get head around this, I foresee problems in your future caused by your impetuousness.

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 11:06 AM

K ill pct and wait idk if I have to eat a lot more but we will see I want to at least maintain not lose on pct but not gain either. I was just worried about ar-r bit they are next daying it now so I'm good. And no I don't lose it naturally I just it just seems that way I guess cuz I'm losing ill keep you guys updated and if I have question ill ask as you pry already know. Thanks

**TbolzNdbols** · 05-03-2013, 11:16 AM

You will be fine dude. If your diet is on point, and your cardio is spick and span you will be fine. Yeah you may lose a little muscle, but if your cardio and diet are on point you should easily be able to avoid that (WITH OUT CYCLING). And come cycle time all be it 3-4-5 months from now. You will have a nice lean base to work from, and you can achieve your goals one step at a time.

Patience is key in this life style. You can either learn the hard way, or be smart, listen, and learn the right way.

Good luck

**Bio-Active** · 05-03-2013, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

K ill pct and wait idk if I have to eat a lot more but we will see I want to at least maintain not lose on pct but not gain either. I was just worried about ar-r bit they are next daying it now so I'm good. And no I don't lose it naturally I just it just seems that way I guess cuz I'm losing ill keep you guys updated and if I have question ill ask as you pry already know. Thanks

How much are you eating now?

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 11:37 AM

I know patience isn't one if my string suits but I wil takentenadvice shooting for 3 months. And I'm eating 2600 cal now my diet is posted in the nutrition section. It's tuned a little from the post but not much.

**Ashop** · 05-03-2013, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

Ar-r sent me wrong product for pct Im doing 4 weeks h-drol 100mg ed and epi 50 mg ed,still have 2 days left so I can't pct I was thinking I have a source with test e now ca I do 8 weeks of that and be ok and pct after that? Please let me know what you guys think!

I think that you should contact who you bought them from,,,I'm sure they would make it right.

**jimmyinkedup** · 05-03-2013, 02:30 PM

always ALWAYS have everything on hand before you start your cycle - including your pct.
Basic Steroids 101......

**3day** · 05-03-2013, 06:13 PM

If 2 years is all you have been lifting you are nuts to be trying aas this soon. There is so much natural potential for you.Just train hard and eat correctly. Learn the value of protein/carbs/fats before test and pct.JMO

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-03-2013, 07:42 PM

I know the value of all those diets posted in nutrition section. Been in football since 12 and boxing but stopped at 19-21 just for busy but now I'm back into it.