First Clen Cycle proposal and questions

[cantstopkane]

Hey guys been reading alot gathering knowledge to propose a clen cycle for review.

Little about me:

Had surgery on my leg last year after graduating college and couldnt walk for 4 months and had to eat at a calorie surplus on doctors orders so I went from 8-9% bf to like 25% fattest ive ever been. Well since getting out of rehab ive got down to 11-13% uisng diet and exercise but I seem to have hit a platue. I never had problem areas befor but since dieting im pretty hard everywhere but my luv handles and my lower abs. Top abs are in.

Interested in shattering that platue with clen.

Been competeing in judo since I was 8, did so on a national level in college lifting since highschool

Goal bf is 8-9%

25 yo
11-13% bf
184
5'10

Cycle:

Im working overseas in asia and its difficult to find AIs or hgc so im hesitant to do any aas until I find a source for that but perscription clen is easy peasy.


Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg (asses sides)
Day6-Day14: 100mcg


Questions:

Im relatively sure there is no need for a post cycle of some sort right?

Do I need t3? I have access if need be.

Some say there is no need to taper off, some say you should. Thoughts?

Some say you should take benadryl to clean out the receptors around the end of the first week. Others say 2 weeks no issues. Thoughts?

Any help appreciated.

[gymfu]

No PCT needed.

T3 added will give you better results.

Clen does not need to be tapered off, but T3 does.

Benadryl will help recharge the receptors, ketotifen is regarded work better.
I would use the Clen for 3-4 weeks with 1mg of keto at night followed by 1-2 weeks off the Clen. Restart again once or twice if desired.

Keep an eye on you blood pressure while on Clen.

Obviously diet is the most important factor when cutting. If you don't know how to cut go tho the nutrition section here and read the cutting stickies.

[Champ2012]

Just be careful,don't dose it to high...Leave it to me and I wouldn't even touch it,anything that messes with my heart is a no no,which is why I've been single for some time Lol...All the best!

[cantstopkane]

Thanks gymfu!

Questions:

So build up to 100-120 on clen the first week and stay there for 2 -3 weeks?

What would you dose t3 on a first run?

How much benadryl, how often starting when?

Thanks

[FONZY007]

No PCT needed.

T3 added will give you better results.

Clen does not need to be tapered off, but T3 does.

Benadryl will help recharge the receptors, ketotifen is regarded work better.
I would use the Clen for 3-4 weeks with 1mg of keto at night followed by 1-2 weeks off the Clen. Restart again once or twice if desired.

Keep an eye on you blood pressure while on Clen.

Obviously diet is the most important factor when cutting. If you don't know how to cut go tho the nutrition section here and read the cutting stickies.

Benadryl doesn't work at all, if you stay on longer than 2 weeks use keto..


Taper off T3, personally I've never heard of that before


Here are also some additional clarifications about T3 because T3 is one of those compounds with a lot of mysticism, rumor, and lies surrounding it:

- It is unnecessary to ramp up or down your T3 dose. I don't do it and never have. Only reason why some people ramp up is to get used to the increasing heat output, and gauge any possible muscle loss through slow increases in dose, etc. but if you can deal with this and know your effective dose, its no problem to immediately start at the full dose.

- T3 can be run for as long as you want without risking damage to your thyroid (contrary to the stupid myth that has been circulating for over 2 decades now).

- T3 possesses a half-life of 2.5 days. It is unnecessary to split up T3 doses throughout the day. Take it all at once in the morning and then forget about it.

- Ketotifen use is only for beta-2 agonists such as Clenbuterol and Albuterol. It will do nothing and has nothing to do with T3.

- Ignore everything you've ever heard or read about the stupid lie/rumor about how T3 use will fvck your thyroid up. NO IT DOESN'T. Your thyroid gland operates just like any other endocrine gland in the body. In fact, the thyroid is actually probably the stupidest endocrine gland in the body. It takes SO long for it to catch on to what's going on before it starts to reduce its output. One study was conducted in which several patients who were on T3 for THIRTY YEARS were promptly taken off of it, because they were MISDIAGNOSED(!!!) as being hypothyroid 30 years ago when they really weren't. Cessation of exogenous T3 resulted in every test subject's thyroid output return to normal levels within 3 months or something. And remember, this is people on it for half a lifetime. Several weeks of use in the bodybuilding world would have very little effect.

- The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable. After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal. Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal(1).

- At doses any higher than 50mcg daily, it must be utilized with anabolic steroids in order to preserve muscle mass. T3 is a very potent metabolism stimulator and it does not discriminate between carbohydrates, protein and fat when it comes to what is utilized as fuel. Therefore, at higher doses, AAS is required to promote nitrogen retention in the muscle.

- When utilized with AAS, T3 can actually be very good for bulking as well, considering the fact that T3 will speed up the metabolism and allow more nutrients to be utilized for muscle anabolism. How much to use depends on the caloric intake of the user and goals.

- EXCESSIVE DOSES OF AAS ARE NOT NECESSARY TO STAVE OFF MUSCLE CATABOLISM FROM T3!!!! There is no need to be running a combined 1,000mg of gear with T3. 300mg weekly of Testosterone ONLY is enough to ward off muscle catabolism. 100mg Testosterone with 200mg Trenbolone weekly is just perfect. High doses of gear IS UNNECESSARY with T3 if the idea is to simply avoid the loss of muscle while on T3 for fat loss purposes.

- T3 is not a stimulant and therefore imparts no stimulant-like effects. Some individuals explain of increased heart rate on T3, and at particularly higher doses, heart palpitations. Note that this is because T3 plays a role in regulating heart rate, and this is not due to any particular stimulant effects.

I hope i've answered any of your questions about T3, as i've told many others the same details I put here for you to read.

REFERENCES:
1. Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy. Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH. N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4[/QUOTE]

[cantstopkane]

Great post Fonzy, very informative on a less discussed substance!

How much would you dose clen and t3 if im not on aas And without keitotefin?

And for how long?

[krugerr]

Great post Fonzy, very informative on a less discussed substance!

How much would you dose clen and t3 if im not on aas And without keitotefin?

And for how long?

Fonzy covered everything well.

T3 can be run indefinitely. You'll need to fine what works for you, I have used 100mcg, but some do go upto 200mcg. Start at around 50mcg, as Bonaparte says below, this is a good dose.

Clen, you need to ramp up the first time. Find your limit. For me, 80mcg gives me little shakes, 100mcg is insane shakes. Just find what works.


*Edited, corrections from Bonaparte.*

[cantstopkane]

Thanks krugerr

[Bonaparte]

Fonzy covered everything well.

T3 can be run indefinitely at any dosage. You'll need to fine what works for you, typical doses are around 100mcg, but some do go upto 200mcg.

Clen, you need to ramp up the first time. Find your limit. For me, 80mcg gives me little shakes, 100mcg is insane shakes. Just find what works.

No way. 50 mcg is a good dose for most. 100 mcg is pushing it unless your stuff is garbage.

[krugerr]

No way. 50 mcg is a good dose for most. 100 mcg is pushing it unless your stuff is garbage.

I stand corrected. Thank Bonaparte. I was basing off my use with Ar-R and other cycles I'd seen. Edited original message.

[cantstopkane]

My stuff directly from pharmacy so I guess ill have too feel it out

[cantstopkane]

My stuff is directly from pharmacy so I guess ill have too feel it out

[FONZY007]

Yea Bona hit it on the head, I've used Clen and T3 while not on cycle to see what it would do, used it for 3 weeks at 100 mcg each lost 12 pounds, some muscle but not much.

[evander87]

Kick ass FONZY. Most of you post was the exact research I found before I jumped in on T3.

However this is something I was just going to post as a question and you've answered it to a T.

- When utilized with AAS, T3 can actually be very good for bulking as well, considering the fact that T3 will speed up the metabolism and allow more nutrients to be utilized for muscle anabolism. How much to use depends on the caloric intake of the user and goals.

Great post. Thank you

[evander87]

SOrry for the double post

[gymfu]

I work up to 120mcg of Clen and 100mcg of T3 while on contest prep, of corse with AAS. Cycle off the Clen for one week every 5 on. That's a little on the heavy side and I would not recommend that for you. I stand by what I put in my first post.

I agree with most of the info in fonzy's post except I believe that T3 isn't as catabolic as people make it out to be. Then again I've never ran more then 50mcg of T3 without AAS, maybe ill try that some day.

[ChiveOn]

I came here to help but it looks under control. I did, however, have almost all of my T3 questions answered. Feel a lot better about it in my upcoming cycle. My buddy complained of terrible headaches at 100mcg

[cantstopkane]

Yes thanks for all the answers guys, ill be starting my clen this coming weekend.

Much appreciated