Ai hindering gains?

[Dougiefresh7707]

This was written my Merc on another board. I am sure he wont mind me posting it here


ESTROGEN AND AI's
Will taking AI's effect my gains ?


When you talk about testosterone you also usally hear words like estrogen and aromatize ..

Most people that use AAS understand that testoserone converts to estrogen (via aromatase enzyme) and this causes problems like bloating, gyno, and other side effects. People have been posting on message boards, lately, inquiring as to how AI's and estrogen relate to muscle gains.

Estrogen is important to the muscle-building process. Estrogen has been linked to increases in GH and IGF-1. Therefore, in essence, some of testosterone's effects are dependent, to a degree, on the aromatization process..

For instance, cattle are given estrodiol in order to "beef" them up. And when cattle ranchers choose a single drug treatment, they always pick estrogen. This is because estrogen's role is important. Think about it, how many people report that when using AI's their gains are diminished? AI's reduce estrogen levels which, in turn, reduce GH and IGF-1 levels.

I have a buddy that has done 2 cycles. The first he used Testosterone enanthat at 500 mg per week with Arimidex at 0.5 EOD. His second cycle consisted of 600 mg of testosterone cypionate per week with 40 mg of Dbol per day (with .5mg Arimidex per day). He ate well and trained intensely yet he wasn't making the gains he expected to make considering the drugs he was using. This friend made an appoment with his dpctor and the doctor ordered a total testosterone and total estrogen blood test. It turned out, his estrogen was exteremly low.. He then finished his cycle and did a proper pct and took time off to recover ..

Than he did another cycle using Dianabol , testosterone enanthate at 600 mg per week, and no AI. This time his body responded incredibly. People that didnt see him for a few months didnt even reconize him. He went beck to the doctor and asked for blood work while he was on cycle (7 weeks into the latest cycle). This time around, his estrogen was high (around 300 ng/ml with 120 ng/ml or less being considered norma. Likewise, his strength was through the roof and he reported a great sense of well being and engery associated with what he was doing. There were no real side-effects that were where experencied. He also never looked real bloated.


Let's not forget, gynecomastia (bitch tits) thrive on high estrogen levels so you never to let that hormone climb too high. Remember, minimize the breast's exposuret to estrogen; but don't get rid of it complety.
I did read up on it and it seems different for each person so I wanted so feedback from some others that have experimented with this idea? Would .25 eod be to little of liquidex from ar-r ?

[Lunk1]

The effect of low estrogen hindering gains is nealry un-noticable for the average BB and honestly I would prefer to deal with that the the side effects of elevated E2 levels!

[largerthannormal]

agreed with lunk.

on another note i feel better with slightly high estrogen.

No AI at all is simply not recommended.

they key is keeping estrogen within ranges, not to high and not to low.

id take a chance of not gaining 1-2 lbs of LBM over man boobies anyday

stane is my choice as even as high as 25mg ed estrogen has shown not to crash.

control is the key.....

[jimmyinkedup]

I agree with the above posters. The goal with an ai is to MANAGE estrogen , not eliminate it completely. Allowing you the benefits that e2 provides without the adverse effects.

[Dougiefresh7707]

So .25 eod is that ok ?

[largerthannormal]

adex ya

[Lunk1]

So .25 eod is that ok ?

yes...that is a good starting point. You can adjust as neccessary!

[Dougiefresh7707]

So .25 eod is that ok ?

I did my reading I know Ed is recommended In case a certain someone is lurking waiting to jump on this opportunity lol.

[largerthannormal]

it depends on which one you go with and the half life of each..

adex eod
stane ed

[Dougiefresh7707]

Cool ,yea liquidex it's weird how that stuff works because it doesn't even seem like it makes it into your body such a small amount.

[marcus300]

Its all about balance and knowing how your body responds and reacts, once you know this you can get the perfect balance

[fit2bOld]

Have been bumping my e2 up recently. At 27 it looked good on paper but my joints ached bad. Now up closer to 40 I feel much better.

[BBJT200]

As many have said, the key to your AI is to CONTROL your estrogen levels, not kill them.
I could understand diminished gains if your e2 is flatlined, but what we try to do is keep them within normal range, while at the same time increasing testosterone to supra physiological levels

[Ashop]

I think most people are taking far too much of the AI's. We only need a small amount for the desired effect we are after.

[Dougiefresh7707]

I think most people are taking far too much of the AI's. We only need a small amount for the desired effect we are after.

Smaller then .25 of adex eod?

[havanakid]

Smaller then .25 of adex eod?

No. .25 is a great starting point.You may not even have to change it.I didnt on my test/deca cycle and its the current dosing I am using on the cycle I am on now.

[AlinSR]

In 20years, I've never seen an ai hinder any of my gains.

[MartyMcFly]

Have been bumping my e2 up recently. At 27 it looked good on paper but my joints ached bad. Now up closer to 40 I feel much better.

I'm jealous. My E2 is at 4. Not fun. No gear no ai. Just normal for me. Getting it sorted out with the dr now.

[HeartBreaker]

is ar-r the only place to legally buy an AI on the web?

[Dougiefresh7707]

is ar-r the only place to legally buy an AI on the web?

No not at all.