Letrozole & Noladex help

**Groc006** · 05-10-2013, 02:59 PM

Hello I'm Jerry,

I'm 34 and have been working out for a few years mildly nothing heavy, just enough to stay in shape. With the help of some test and deca .

My problem - I developed gyno when I was 12-14 and it never went away. When i was 27 in my prim working out and on lots of gear my gyno got worse. I had surgery 2 years ago to remove the gyno, and just like that It was gone and I was finally happy.
A month ago I started a cycle of test E 200 at 1/2CC and deca 200 at 1/2CC. I figured a small low dose cycle would help get me in better shape. In week 4 (now) my nipples are sensitive and puffing out, getting gyno, again. I started a Nolva dose but nothing/didn't help(now I'm out). I've read on here about Letrozole and Nolva combo and hear it works wonders for reducing gyno.

Would you guys recommend that? If so where would you guys recommend I purchase it from? I don't know anyone local that can get it.

Thanks for any advise.

**Gaspaco** · 05-10-2013, 03:05 PM

Non of them!

Letro is too harsh and nolva is for PCT.

Get adex(start at 0.25mg eod and adjust) or aromasin (12,5mg ED and adjust)

**kelkel** · 05-10-2013, 06:09 PM

Wait. You had gyno. Got surgery. Cycling again without educating yourself to the ramifications of what you take. Jeez man!

Nolva is a serm and will take a little time to kick in.

Now, if I read this correctly you're taking 100mg a week of test and 100mg a week of deca , right? The test you're taking is barely replacing your natural production at that level. If it's more it's not by much unless you are low in T naturally. You are basically on a TRT dose. Many at that level need an AI and some don't. Deca is a progestin and can cause prolactin issues and thus nip issues as well. We are all different in how we respond to these chemicals.

You can bump your Nolva up slightly for a few days if needed but it will kick in and help you. Raloxifene is statistically better than Nolva. If there is actual damage at the end of this consider Andractim Gel as well. It's a topical DHT gel that you apply directly to the area in question. Search up "All you need to know about gyno" for a good read on it. Several people I know, including a pro have used this effectively.

When is comes to an AI Gaspaco is correct, you probably need one but the caveat is not that much (if I read your cycle correctly) as .25 eod is the norm for a 500mg cycle of test. That would crush your E eventually. And to have a prolactin issue from the deca there would have to be the presence of high E. So, if you start an AI without blood work I'd go with .25 to .5mg the day after you inject. Cabergoline helps with prolactin but as stated, controlling your E is the key here.

Then again, without blood work we are guessing as sensitivity and a little puffiness is not always gyno. Could just be some sensitivity along with water retention.

**horse_boy** · 05-19-2013, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Wait. You had gyno. Got surgery. Cycling again without educating yourself to the ramifications of what you take. Jeez man!

Nolva is a serm and will take a little time to kick in.

Now, if I read this correctly you're taking 100mg a week of test and 100mg a week of deca , right? The test you're taking is barely replacing your natural production at that level. If it's more it's not by much unless you are low in T naturally. You are basically on a TRT dose. Many at that level need an AI and some don't. Deca is a progestin and can cause prolactin issues and thus nip issues as well. We are all different in how we respond to these chemicals.

You can bump your Nolva up slightly for a few days if needed but it will kick in and help you. Raloxifene is statistically better than Nolva. If there is actual damage at the end of this consider Andractim Gel as well. It's a topical DHT gel that you apply directly to the area in question. Search up "All you need to know about gyno" for a good read on it. Several people I know, including a pro have used this effectively.

When is comes to an AI Gaspaco is correct, you probably need one but the caveat is not that much (if I read your cycle correctly) as .25 eod is the norm for a 500mg cycle of test. That would crush your E eventually. And to have a prolactin issue from the deca there would have to be the presence of high E. So, if you start an AI without blood work I'd go with .25 to .5mg the day after you inject. Cabergoline helps with prolactin but as stated, controlling your E is the key here.

Then again, without blood work we are guessing as sensitivity and a little puffiness is not always gyno. Could just be some sensitivity along with water retention.

will letrozole work on old gyno?. i think its from my early teens, and i only noticed the lumps after a cycle of test-e i ran last year.

**Lunk1** · 05-19-2013, 07:55 AM

Letro and Nolva can be a powerful punch against gyno. Be prepared to crash your E2 levels!

**kelkel** · 05-19-2013, 10:23 AM

What lunk said. Not a fan of letro although many are. If your gyno is old and fibrous (hard) then your only option is surgery. If not I'd go with either nolva or ralox in combination with Andractim. It's worked for several people I know.

**Groc006** · 05-19-2013, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Wait. You had gyno. Got surgery. Cycling again without educating yourself to the ramifications of what you take. Jeez man!

Nolva is a serm and will take a little time to kick in.

Now, if I read this correctly you're taking 100mg a week of test and 100mg a week of deca , right? The test you're taking is barely replacing your natural production at that level. If it's more it's not by much unless you are low in T naturally. You are basically on a TRT dose. Many at that level need an AI and some don't. Deca is a progestin and can cause prolactin issues and thus nip issues as well. We are all different in how we respond to these chemicals.

You can bump your Nolva up slightly for a few days if needed but it will kick in and help you. Raloxifene is statistically better than Nolva. If there is actual damage at the end of this consider Andractim Gel as well. It's a topical DHT gel that you apply directly to the area in question. Search up "All you need to know about gyno" for a good read on it. Several people I know, including a pro have used this effectively.

When is comes to an AI Gaspaco is correct, you probably need one but the caveat is not that much (if I read your cycle correctly) as .25 eod is the norm for a 500mg cycle of test. That would crush your E eventually. And to have a prolactin issue from the deca there would have to be the presence of high E. So, if you start an AI without blood work I'd go with .25 to .5mg the day after you inject. Cabergoline helps with prolactin but as stated, controlling your E is the key here.

Then again, without blood work we are guessing as sensitivity and a little puffiness is not always gyno. Could just be some sensitivity along with water retention.

Kelkel & gaspaco, thanks for your info.

I thought I did educate myself of the ramifications, that's why i had my Nolva ready. But this is the 1st time my nipples felt this way during a cycle. I did ready the all you need to know about gyno thread, so I ordered Letrozole and Nolva from AR-R (hope it's legit) and I'm on day 3 of the cycle.

I been off the cycle for a few weeks now and have been loosing the water retention, the sensitiveity is gone but the puffy nips are there. We'll see how the rest of the reversal cycle goes.

**horse_boy** · 05-20-2013, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

What lunk said. Not a fan of letro although many are. If your gyno is old and fibrous (hard) then your only option is surgery. If not I'd go with either nolva or ralox in combination with Andractim. It's worked for several people I know.

yeah its a hard pea size lump under each nipple. think its from puberty, but only noticed it when i finished a test cycle. tried nolva, just made me unhorny. gonna get the surgery i think. just dont ahve money or time. is there anything that wont effect the gyno lumps? clen ? anavar ? cheers

**MR10X** · 05-20-2013, 07:18 AM

I had a small bit of gyno from early AAS in the 80's,i read the profile on letro on this forum and it said letro will destroy old gyno if used in high doses.I tried this off cycle,i knew there might be a problem with libido and sexual function but didnt care because my main concern was to get rid of the gyno.I did the doses like it was detailed in the profile with no success.The only thing it did was kill my libido and ability to get a hard on even with cialis.AI's wont treat the already existing gyno,Nolvadex or Clomid is needed to occupy the E receptors and reduce the gyno.AI's and Serms together are the best combimation if your gyno is not too old. If its old gyno surgery is probably the only solution ....

**Freestyle Child** · 05-20-2013, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Groc006

Hello I'm Jerry,

I'm 34 and have been working out for a few years mildly nothing heavy, just enough to stay in shape. With the help of some test and deca .

My problem - I developed gyno when I was 12-14 and it never went away. When i was 27 in my prim working out and on lots of gear my gyno got worse. I had surgery 2 years ago to remove the gyno, and just like that It was gone and I was finally happy.
A month ago I started a cycle of test E 200 at 1/2CC and deca 200 at 1/2CC. I figured a small low dose cycle would help get me in better shape. In week 4 (now) my nipples are sensitive and puffing out, getting gyno, again. I started a Nolva dose but nothing/didn't help(now I'm out). I've read on here about Letrozole and Nolva combo and hear it works wonders for reducing gyno.

Would you guys recommend that? If so where would you guys recommend I purchase it from? I don't know anyone local that can get it.

Thanks for any advise.

Get yourself some arimidex or aromasin and nolvadex . Your estrogen is high if your producing gyno symptoms.

Not a fun boat to be in my friend, why didn't you educate yourself after getting gyno to properly avoid it in the future?
Its a no brainer bro, use your head