Total test levels only 2723

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 10:05 AM

Off of 80 mg prop Ed. Test was taken during third week in the morning. Gear underdosed? It's generic labs prop

**Granovich** · 08-21-2013, 10:30 AM

Whats wrong ?
Its high number
Then test works, what u complaining about ?

**Tron3219** · 08-21-2013, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

Off of 80 mg prop Ed. Test was taken during third week in the morning. Gear underdosed? It's generic labs prop

Considering the normal high threshold is like 900...I'd say 3x is petty good

**kelkel** · 08-21-2013, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

Whats wrong ?
Its high number
Then test works, what u complaining about ?

Agreed.

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 10:36 AM

Yeah the test works but it seems very underdosed to me, definitely not 100 mg/ml. Based on what I've seen 500 mg of real test should put me atleast in the 4000's. I know everybody's different but 2700 seems too low for that much prop

**austinite** · 08-21-2013, 10:40 AM

Yeah?? Compared to what? 500 mg will not give you 4000 serum in a couple weeks.

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 10:44 AM

So you think the gear is properly dosed? Prop wouldn't be at peak levels the 3rd week?

**Tron3219** · 08-21-2013, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yeah?? Compared to what? 500 mg will not give you 4000 serum in a couple weeks.

Kinda what I was thinkin but wasn't sure, all I've ever seen is >1500 haha

**austinite** · 08-21-2013, 10:44 AM

Yeah. Maybe overdosed.

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yeah. Maybe overdosed.

Wow maybe I'm just confused. Does the half life of prop give lower blood levels then say test e or c?

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 10:46 AM

Your dose at 80mg ED is not too low. Your BW was taken too soon but it indicates as others have said it is working just fine. At 2,700 - 3,000 ng/dL on a probable scale of up to 1100-1250 that's good and that alone will work wonders for you. Also as Aust~ said in a few weeks like 5 your level should clime much higher.

You need to be patient. You're going good. Concentrate on eating and training. What is your E2 that's what you need to look at and watch . ....crazy mike

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 10:53 AM

Thanks cm my e2 was 57 last week so I upped my dosage to 12.5 mg aromasin 2x a day. Libidos still not crazy but it's back to normal, at 12.mg I couldn't get t up.

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

Thanks cm my e2 was 57 last week so I upped my dosage to 12.5 mg aromasin 2x a day. Libidos still not crazy but it's back to normal, at 12.mg I couldn't get t up.

Hey what was your range on the E2 and was this a sensitive assay ? you say 12.5 mg x 2 ED on the Arimidex ?? ...crazy mike

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Hey what was your range on the E2 and was this a sensitive assay ? you say 12.5 mg x 2 ED on the Arimidex ?? ...crazy mike

I got the female hormonal panel from private med. yes I'm doing the aromasin 25 mg Ed feeling a lot better.

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

I got the female hormonal panel from private med. yes I'm doing the aromasin 25 mg Ed feeling a lot better.

What...Private Med Lab's you didn't get a male sensitive assay ? What am I not getting here ? Also what is the range 0 - ? and you are at 57 right. I want to understand, but as long as you say you feel ok. But that can change real quick so be careful. ...crazy mike

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

What...Private Med Lab's you didn't get a male sensitive assay ? What am I not getting here ? Also what is the range 0 - ? and you are at 57 right. I want to understand, but as long as you say you feel ok. But that can change real quick so be careful. ...crazy mike

Female panel is a lot cheaper and you can put down your male and the ranges will be for males. The range was 7.6-42.6 pg/ml for e2

**Bio-Active** · 08-21-2013, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

Yeah the test works but it seems very underdosed to me, definitely not 100 mg/ml. Based on what I've seen 500 mg of real test should put me atleast in the 4000's. I know everybody's different but 2700 seems too low for that much prop

You don't know that unless you have ran 500 mg of pharm grade test to compare it to? 600 mg of test c EW put me at about 3,500 ng/dl 3 days after my last pin. Your number doesn't look bad to me

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 11:34 AM

Hey whiteboy, listen you are very young and we talked about this so I'm not fuking with you I am concerned. If you are going to do this then lets be real careful and you are trying.? but ... oh well!
Just stay on this BW for yourself. Watch the E2 and get a sensitive assay. This...I am on 1,500mg Test E and Prop wk. I am prone to Gyno so for JUST that I have to be carful. I have crashed my E2 before, I have had it run wild and there are other ramifications to high E2/. Also I can attest that if you crash it, it will be hell to pay for. I am controlling mine with .25 mg ED of AI and I must be very carful at that dose. That's me ! So I am just being the old man here and telling you get the correct BW and put your money into BW. ...crazy mike

**OnTheSauce** · 08-21-2013, 11:36 AM

I always wait at least 4 weeks for bloods but I'd say your level is ok

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 11:42 AM

One more question about the Ai and E2. Have you been doing .25 mg total since day one. Is this where your BW put you on this AI dose?. Just asking, maybe I'll learn something. cm

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

One more question about the Ai and E2. Have you been doing .25 mg total since day one. Is this where your BW put you on this AI dose?. Just asking, maybe I'll learn something. cm

I started with 25 mg aromasin for the first week but felt tired so I dropped it down to 12.5mg for another week. After my bw came back with the high estro I upped the dosage to 25 mg Ed. I've been on that dose over a week now. Ill probably get my e2 checked again in a couple weeks

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

Female panel is a lot cheaper and you can put down your male and the ranges will be for males. The range was 7.6-42.6 pg/ml for e2

Ya know you are going to do what you want. Just like I'm going to say what I want. So here we go again with a newbie only 21 who shouldn't be doing this by all the literature that is written and several testimonies on this board. Theses people played the Russian roulette and lost. Now they suffer. You think not or don't care. Cool, I don't wish anything bad for you but the best. So that's why I advise the best and safest way to go and here you are telling me that this is cheaper and you only have to make this adjustment with the numbers and whatever. So the story continues with all the young and know it all who come here for advise and council only to tell us but not me, and I only and this and that. Whether it being ok or get by, just listen to yourself and this connotation.

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

I started with 25 mg aromasin for the first week but felt tired so I dropped it down to 12.5mg for another week. After my bw came back with the high estro I upped the dosage to 25 mg Ed. I've been on that dose over a week now. Ill probably get my e2 checked again in a couple weeks

I didn't understand the above but that's my problem. I can only warn you once again be careful with this whole deal. Your Test is where it should be. Don't up the Test. Your E2 needs to be monitored closely with the correct assay, not a short cut. I advise that you are close to crash at that dose, SO....watch out. If all stays on this path your good to go except for your age. Peace ...out ! ...stayin cool , crazy mike

**Capebuffalo** · 08-21-2013, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Hey what was your range on the E2 and was this a sensitive assay ? you say 12.5 mg x 2 ED on the Arimidex ?? ...crazy mike

Mike just to make sure you see he's using stane not dex

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Mike just to make sure you see he's using stane not dex

Yes am I admit that I am not up like I should be on that. However I am just throwing in a caution flag. His BW was not a sensitive assay. So his E2 might a touch high but not bad. If this is a gtg number ? So when he upped the Ai he's approaching caution. It wasn't very high IMOP and I've crashed and it will Fuk you up until back in control. I'm done though I just too concerned for these guys. ...crazy mike

**Capebuffalo** · 08-21-2013, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

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Yes am I admit that I am not up like I should be on that. However I am just throwing in a caution flag. His BW was not a sensitive assay. So his E2 might a touch high but not bad. If this is a gtg number ? So when he upped the Ai he's approaching caution. It wasn't very high IMOP and I've crashed and it will Fuk you up until back in control. I'm done though I just too concerned for these guys. ...crazy mike

You know Mike. I don't think your crazy at all.

**MuscleInk** · 08-21-2013, 12:27 PM

Numbers are fine for prop. Please do not run 25mg of aromasin for an extended period. 25mg is the standard dose for metastatic breast cancer in adjuvant, neoadjuvant, and first line settings as a doublet to chemotherapy. 12.5mg/day is sufficient. 25mg/d is abusive.

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

You know Mike. I don't think your crazy at all.

Thanks. ....cm

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Numbers are fine for prop. Please do not run 25mg of aromasin for an extended period. 25mg is the standard dose for metastatic breast cancer in adjuvant, neoadjuvant, and first line settings as a doublet to chemotherapy. 12.5mg/day is sufficient. 25mg/d is abusive.

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Can I ask how you guys feel about not getting the male sensitive assay when looking at our Estradiol test. ??? ...crazy mike

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Numbers are fine for prop. Please do not run 25mg of aromasin for an extended period. 25mg is the standard dose for metastatic breast cancer in adjuvant, neoadjuvant, and first line settings as a doublet to chemotherapy. 12.5mg/day is sufficient. 25mg/d is abusive.

at 12.5 my e was way too high. Austinite says 25 mg is the standard dose. And cm the female hormonal panel has been suggested by many members here and in stickies I'm not cutting corners it is accurate

**Sgt. Hartman** · 08-21-2013, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

I always wait at least 4 weeks for bloods but I'd say your level is ok

It matters a lot more what your last dose was and when it was taken in relation to pulling blood than how long total you wait for.

Check this out OP.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men | Endocrinology and Metabolism

**MuscleInk** · 08-21-2013, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

at 12.5 my e was way too high. Austinite says 25 mg is the standard dose. And cm the female hormonal panel has been suggested by many members here and in stickies I'm not cutting corners it is accurate

I respect Austinite and his contributions to the forum, however, speaking from a professional point of view and someone who uses AIs frequently in a clinical setting, 25mg PO qd for an extended period is unnecessary. I believe you stated your E2 was 52 (which is NOT high) but an incorrect assay may have been performed. Controlling E2 is critical for numerous reasons I have covered before (as have other respected members) but all too often, naive users wrongly believe more is better and safe. Untrue. At 25mg PO qd, there are several common side effects that you simply do not need to endure.

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I respect Austinite and his contributions to the forum, however, speaking from a professional point of view and someone who uses AIs frequently in a clinical setting, 25mg PO qd for an extended period is unnecessary. I believe you stated your E2 was 52 (which is NOT high) but an incorrect assay may have been performed. Controlling E2 is critical for numerous reasons I have covered before (as have other respected members) but all too often, naive users wrongly believe more is better and safe. Untrue. At 25mg PO qd, there are several common side effects that you simply do not need to endure.

thanks for bringing this up though I have been thinking of switching to liquid adex for a few reasons. 52 was high for me though I couldn't get a boner. Limped out on 2 girls 2 days in a row

haven't talked to them since lol. Do you think adex is a better ai then, efficiency and safety wise?

**Bio-Active** · 08-21-2013, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

thanks for bringing this up though I have been thinking of switching to liquid adex for a few reasons. 52 was high for me though I couldn't get a boner. Limped out on 2 girls 2 days in a row

haven't talked to them since lol. Do you think adex is a better ai then, efficiency and safety wise?

52 does not seem high for how high your testosterone levels are?

**Whiteboyy0** · 08-21-2013, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

52 does not seem high for how high your testosterone levels are?

Maybe mikes right then, the results might not be accurate for e2 levels. I've seen it recommended on here though. Once I upped my dosage though I started getting wood again. E2 levels were 57. Not that that would change much

**MuscleInk** · 08-21-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

thanks for bringing this up though I have been thinking of switching to liquid adex for a few reasons. 52 was high for me though I couldn't get a boner. Limped out on 2 girls 2 days in a row

haven't talked to them since lol. Do you think adex is a better ai then, efficiency and safety wise?

Safer? That's not easy to answer. Adex works a little quicker and has a longer half life than aromasin but some published papers report a greater negative impact on lipids (cholesterol) with adex compared to aromasin.

**crazy mike** · 08-21-2013, 04:57 PM

Well, well...what do I know.? did we learn something here Whiteboy ? ...crazy mike

Headed to an AA meeting after this. Been too long.......... cm

**20YO** · 08-22-2013, 06:20 AM

from what i've come to understand - and feel free to jump in and correct me if i'm wrong - different people have different responses to e2. 57 for some could be hell; for others it could be a non issue

**Bio-Active** · 08-22-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by 20YO

from what i've come to understand - and feel free to jump in and correct me if i'm wrong - different people have different responses to e2. 57 for some could be hell; for others it could be a non issue

Your body is going to try and balance out your testosterone and estrogen ratio. 57 is pretty close to within range if your levels are within normal high range 800-1100 ng/dl his range is almost 3000 ng/dl so of course his estrogen is going to be higher than the 25-35 range