First cycle test prop

[Newbnatty]

Hey guys and maybe girls

I've been researching for a little while now to find out what I should do for a first cycle.

So far I've came up with test prop at 500mg per week for 8 weeks

Arimidex eod while on cycle .25mg

The pct nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

I'm 22 198lbs 6'2" I've been training for 2.5 years. My macros are 50c 30p 20f at 3500-3700 cals.

Any help appreciated thank you!

[Newbnatty]

Or even half that cycle , so 250mg per week (8 weeks)

Arimidex the same

Pct nolva 20/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

[scorpion62]

Hey guys and maybe girls

I've been researching for a little while now to find out what I should do for a first cycle.

So far I've came up with test prop at 500mg per week for 8 weeks

Arimidex eod while on cycle .25mg

The pct nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

I'm 22 198lbs 6'2" I've been training for 2.5 years. My macros are 50c 30p 20f at 3500-3700 cals.

Any help appreciated thank you!

I think you should post your diet in the nutrition section first , get it check out with these guy's at your present age you don't need to cycle because your natural test will be through the roof and you could damage your HPTA system , why not wait a couple of more years before you cycle this will give your body time to fully develop and give you a good solid base to work with ,

[scorpion62]

Or even half that cycle , so 250mg per week (8 weeks)

Arimidex the same

Pct nolva 20/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Why would he won't to do this ?

[Gaspaco]

What are your stats?

[Newbnatty]

Stats as in lifts pb or body weight, body fat ect?

[Newbnatty]

I think you should post your diet in the nutrition section first , get it check out with these guy's at your present age you don't need to cycle because your natural test will be through the roof and you could damage your HPTA system , why not wait a couple of more years before you cycle this will give your body time to fully develop and give you a good solid base to work with ,

I didn't know you could also my diet isn't set in stone as long as I hit my macro requirements with a surplus In 4-6 meals.

[Gaspaco]

Stats as in lifts pb or body weight, body fat ect?

Body

[Newbnatty]

Body

Arms 15inch
Waist 32inch
Chest 41 inch
Leg 24 inch
Calves 15 inch
Hight 6'2"
Arm lenth 189cm (6'3")
10-11% body fat

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Arms 15inch
Waist 32inch
Chest 41 inch
Leg 24 inch
Calves 15 inch
Hight 6'2"
Arm lenth 189cm (6'3")
10-11% body fat

Weight?

[Newbnatty]

Weight?

198lbs (90kg)

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Some people believe that 22 is still a little young to use gear. I hope you have already read this:

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...%2A%2A%2A.html

You are aware that test prop require at least eod pinning right? You have no problems with needles?

Are you getting hcg too?

Do you know when to start pct?

[Newbnatty]

Yeah I read heap of them there mostly guys who didn't research. Most where saying they didn't cycle or have a pct.

Yeah no problems with needles.

Will I need to run that while on cycle along with arimidex ?

3 days after the last injection?

I want to make sure I have a solid pct before I start because I already have puffy nipples from pubity if they get worse I will have to get surgery

[JohnnyVegas]

Or even half that cycle , so 250mg per week (8 weeks)

Arimidex the same

Pct nolva 20/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

I don't think shutting down the body's natural production and putting up with PCT is worth it for 250mg/wk. My TRT dose is 200mg/wk and I don't get huge benefits from it.

[Newbnatty]

I don't think shutting down the body's natural production and putting up with PCT is worth it for 250mg/wk. My TRT dose is 200mg/wk and I don't get huge benefits from it.

Ok fair enough. The prop I'm looking at says 100mg/ml so 20ml (to my understanding is the normal cycle amount) only adds up to 2000mg. Does it matter that I'll have to use 40ml?

[JohnnyVegas]

Ok fair enough. The prop I'm looking at says 100mg/ml so 20ml (to my understanding is the normal cycle amount) only adds up to 2000mg. Does it matter that I'll have to use 40ml?

Not sure what you mean.

100mg/ml is pretty standard for Prop. If you want to do 500mg for 8 weeks you will need a total of 4000mg. Each vial has 1,000mg so you would need four vials. HOWEVER you will usually have some waste (gear left in the needle, etc.) and will come up one or two injections short.

Make sure you understand the right doses for you AI as well.

I see you are 22. You are obviously old enough to make your own decision but I do caution you do think twice about it and make sure you really learn all you can. I started TRT at 42 and the thought of needing to start it in my 20s (if you do some damage) is horrifying. Be safe. You and your future girlfriends/wife/kids will appreciate it.

[Newbnatty]

That answers my question thanks. Does this look like the right doeses on everything?

Week one: 500mg test prop eod
.25mg arimidex eod

Week two: 500mg test prop eod
.25 mg arimidex eod

Week three: 500mg test prop eod
.25mg arimidex eod

Week four: 500mg test prop eod
.25mg arimidex eod

Week five: 500mg test prop eod
.25 mg arimidex eod

Week six: 500mg test prop eod
.25mg arimidex eod

Week seven: 500mg test prop eod
.25mg arimidex eod

Week eight: 500mg test prop eod
500iu Hcg ed
40mg Nolva ed
100mg Clomid ed

Week nine: 500iu hcg ed
40mg Nolva
100mg Clomid

Week ten: 500iu hcg ed
20mg Nolva
50mg Clomid

Week eleven: 20mg nolva
50mg Clomid

[Newbnatty]

R u sure u even need hcg on this cycle?

[Back In Black]

You can get away with 100mg EOD with prop as a first cycle. That's pretty much what I ran (actually 110mg) and had some great results.

[Newbnatty]

You can get away with 100mg EOD with prop as a first cycle. That's pretty much what I ran (actually 110mg) and had some great results.

Really, I thought someone said 250mg eod wasn't enough

[Back In Black]

Really, I thought someone said 250mg eod wasn't enough

250mg per WEEK is on the low side. 350mg is, IMO, a good starting dose for prop.

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Really, I thought someone said 250mg eod wasn't enough

JV said 250mg/wk is not enough. But 100mg eod works out to be 350mg/wk. Which is perfect for a first cycle.

[Newbnatty]

JV said 250mg/wk is not enough. But 100mg eod works out to be 350mg/wk. Which is perfect for a first cycle.

My bad I just rote it out rong, I meant to rite 125mg eod. 500mg per week

[mbreti]

My bad I just rote it out rong, I meant to rite 125mg eod. 500mg per week

Did a Test Prop cycle at 23, goal was to cut.

100mg eod. 8 weeks.
adex at .25mg eod was too much for me, joint pains. Changed it to .25mg every 3 days no problems. (although my gear was apparently underdosed according to source, so e3d may not be suitable for you.)

No hcg on cycle.
I blasted 5000iu per week for 2 weeks at the end of my cycle as a precaution before pct.

Clomid nolva for pct 3 days after last injection.
Clomid @ 25mg for 5/6weeks
Nolva @ 10mg for 5/6weeks (sometimes if i felt a little off, or had a headache that I thought might be linked to high blood pressure I would take another 10mg of nolva for a day or 2 which solved the problem...placebo or not I don't know.

Side effects: mild testicular atrophy towards end of cycle.
Didn't experience any ED, sex drive was high, orgasm felt more powerful, mood was decent, although not as good as off cycle don't know why.

Blood levels are in check with pre-cycle levels, but it wasn't exactly a heavy cycle due to underdosed gear so your pct might want to be stronger.

Good luck

[Newbnatty]

Thanks for your help! Do I have to run hcg at the end of my cycle? I was planing to use only nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50 as pct and arimidex on cycle .25mg eod

[mbreti]

You don't have to... but it's recommended that you run hcg on cycle for an easier recovery.
I ran it at the end of my cycle, as I didn't use it during.
Some people don't run it at all.

From my experience, blasting 5000iu per week, for the last 2 weeks, BEFORE pct, went well.
Testicular atrophy was noticeably reduced.
Your PCT looks a tad harsh, I did lower dosages (but for longer to be safe) and recovery was fine, but everyone is different, just listen to your body and look out for symptoms of high/low test/estro.

[RUDY 6]

I am interested to hear more about this cycle. Have you thought about keeping a log while on cycle to track progress, sides, or any change ups as mbreti did with his adex for joint issues? I am also looking to soon start my first cycle of the highly recommended TEST ONLY cycle for beginners. Prop sounds like a good choice aside from eod pins... Water retention was the main thing that stuck out as being beneficial along with the shorter pct time

[Newbnatty]

You don't have to... but it's recommended that you run hcg on cycle for an easier recovery.
I ran it at the end of my cycle, as I didn't use it during.
Some people don't run it at all.

From my experience, blasting 5000iu per week, for the last 2 weeks, BEFORE pct, went well.
Testicular atrophy was noticeably reduced.
Your PCT looks a tad harsh, I did lower dosages (but for longer to be safe) and recovery was fine, but everyone is different, just listen to your body and look out for symptoms of high/low test/estro.

By not running hcg will I put myself at risk of getting Gyno?

[rigpig407]

OMG Bro!you are not even close to being ready to cycle.i know your trying to learn but use search and do some reading ****!hcg for your balls,ai for your tits.

[Newbnatty]

Hcg is the only thing I haven't researched. Never even heard about it before this forum.