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    First cycle test prop

    Hey guys and maybe girls

    I've been researching for a little while now to find out what I should do for a first cycle.

    So far I've came up with test prop at 500mg per week for 8 weeks

    Arimidex eod while on cycle .25mg

    The pct nolva 40/40/20/20
    Clomid 100/100/50/50

    I'm 22 198lbs 6'2" I've been training for 2.5 years. My macros are 50c 30p 20f at 3500-3700 cals.

    Any help appreciated thank you!

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    Or even half that cycle , so 250mg per week (8 weeks)

    Arimidex the same

    Pct nolva 20/20/20/20
    Clomid 50/50/50/50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty
    Hey guys and maybe girls

    I've been researching for a little while now to find out what I should do for a first cycle.

    So far I've came up with test prop at 500mg per week for 8 weeks

    Arimidex eod while on cycle .25mg

    The pct nolva 40/40/20/20
    Clomid 100/100/50/50

    I'm 22 198lbs 6'2" I've been training for 2.5 years. My macros are 50c 30p 20f at 3500-3700 cals.

    Any help appreciated thank you!
    I think you should post your diet in the nutrition section first , get it check out with these guy's at your present age you don't need to cycle because your natural test will be through the roof and you could damage your HPTA system , why not wait a couple of more years before you cycle this will give your body time to fully develop and give you a good solid base to work with ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty
    Or even half that cycle , so 250mg per week (8 weeks)

    Arimidex the same

    Pct nolva 20/20/20/20
    Clomid 50/50/50/50
    Why would he won't to do this ?

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    What are your stats?

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    Stats as in lifts pb or body weight, body fat ect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion62 View Post
    I think you should post your diet in the nutrition section first , get it check out with these guy's at your present age you don't need to cycle because your natural test will be through the roof and you could damage your HPTA system , why not wait a couple of more years before you cycle this will give your body time to fully develop and give you a good solid base to work with ,
    I didn't know you could also my diet isn't set in stone as long as I hit my macro requirements with a surplus In 4-6 meals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty
    Stats as in lifts pb or body weight, body fat ect?
    Body

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaspaco View Post
    Body
    Arms 15inch
    Waist 32inch
    Chest 41 inch
    Leg 24 inch
    Calves 15 inch
    Hight 6'2"
    Arm lenth 189cm (6'3")
    10-11% body fat
    Last edited by Newbnatty; 05-31-2013 at 07:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty View Post

    Arms 15inch
    Waist 32inch
    Chest 41 inch
    Leg 24 inch
    Calves 15 inch
    Hight 6'2"
    Arm lenth 189cm (6'3")
    10-11% body fat
    Weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AD View Post
    Weight?
    198lbs (90kg)

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    Some people believe that 22 is still a little young to use gear. I hope you have already read this:

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...%2A%2A%2A.html

    You are aware that test prop require at least eod pinning right? You have no problems with needles?

    Are you getting hcg too?

    Do you know when to start pct?

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    Yeah I read heap of them there mostly guys who didn't research. Most where saying they didn't cycle or have a pct.

    Yeah no problems with needles.

    Will I need to run that while on cycle along with arimidex ?

    3 days after the last injection?

    I want to make sure I have a solid pct before I start because I already have puffy nipples from pubity if they get worse I will have to get surgery
    Last edited by Newbnatty; 05-31-2013 at 09:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty
    Or even half that cycle , so 250mg per week (8 weeks)

    Arimidex the same

    Pct nolva 20/20/20/20
    Clomid 50/50/50/50
    I don't think shutting down the body's natural production and putting up with PCT is worth it for 250mg/wk. My TRT dose is 200mg/wk and I don't get huge benefits from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    I don't think shutting down the body's natural production and putting up with PCT is worth it for 250mg/wk. My TRT dose is 200mg/wk and I don't get huge benefits from it.

    Ok fair enough. The prop I'm looking at says 100mg/ml so 20ml (to my understanding is the normal cycle amount) only adds up to 2000mg. Does it matter that I'll have to use 40ml?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty View Post
    Ok fair enough. The prop I'm looking at says 100mg/ml so 20ml (to my understanding is the normal cycle amount) only adds up to 2000mg. Does it matter that I'll have to use 40ml?
    Not sure what you mean.

    100mg/ml is pretty standard for Prop. If you want to do 500mg for 8 weeks you will need a total of 4000mg. Each vial has 1,000mg so you would need four vials. HOWEVER you will usually have some waste (gear left in the needle, etc.) and will come up one or two injections short.

    Make sure you understand the right doses for you AI as well.

    I see you are 22. You are obviously old enough to make your own decision but I do caution you do think twice about it and make sure you really learn all you can. I started TRT at 42 and the thought of needing to start it in my 20s (if you do some damage) is horrifying. Be safe. You and your future girlfriends/wife/kids will appreciate it.

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    That answers my question thanks. Does this look like the right doeses on everything?

    Week one: 500mg test prop eod
    .25mg arimidex eod

    Week two: 500mg test prop eod
    .25 mg arimidex eod

    Week three: 500mg test prop eod
    .25mg arimidex eod

    Week four: 500mg test prop eod
    .25mg arimidex eod

    Week five: 500mg test prop eod
    .25 mg arimidex eod

    Week six: 500mg test prop eod
    .25mg arimidex eod

    Week seven: 500mg test prop eod
    .25mg arimidex eod

    Week eight: 500mg test prop eod
    500iu Hcg ed
    40mg Nolva ed
    100mg Clomid ed

    Week nine: 500iu hcg ed
    40mg Nolva
    100mg Clomid

    Week ten: 500iu hcg ed
    20mg Nolva
    50mg Clomid

    Week eleven: 20mg nolva
    50mg Clomid


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    R u sure u even need hcg on this cycle?

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    You can get away with 100mg EOD with prop as a first cycle. That's pretty much what I ran (actually 110mg) and had some great results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    You can get away with 100mg EOD with prop as a first cycle. That's pretty much what I ran (actually 110mg) and had some great results.
    Really, I thought someone said 250mg eod wasn't enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty

    Really, I thought someone said 250mg eod wasn't enough
    250mg per WEEK is on the low side. 350mg is, IMO, a good starting dose for prop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty View Post

    Really, I thought someone said 250mg eod wasn't enough
    JV said 250mg/wk is not enough. But 100mg eod works out to be 350mg/wk. Which is perfect for a first cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AD View Post
    JV said 250mg/wk is not enough. But 100mg eod works out to be 350mg/wk. Which is perfect for a first cycle.
    My bad I just rote it out rong, I meant to rite 125mg eod. 500mg per week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbnatty View Post
    My bad I just rote it out rong, I meant to rite 125mg eod. 500mg per week
    Did a Test Prop cycle at 23, goal was to cut.

    100mg eod. 8 weeks.
    adex at .25mg eod was too much for me, joint pains. Changed it to .25mg every 3 days no problems. (although my gear was apparently underdosed according to source, so e3d may not be suitable for you.)

    No hcg on cycle.
    I blasted 5000iu per week for 2 weeks at the end of my cycle as a precaution before pct.

    Clomid nolva for pct 3 days after last injection.
    Clomid @ 25mg for 5/6weeks
    Nolva @ 10mg for 5/6weeks (sometimes if i felt a little off, or had a headache that I thought might be linked to high blood pressure I would take another 10mg of nolva for a day or 2 which solved the problem...placebo or not I don't know.

    Side effects: mild testicular atrophy towards end of cycle.
    Didn't experience any ED, sex drive was high, orgasm felt more powerful, mood was decent, although not as good as off cycle don't know why.

    Blood levels are in check with pre-cycle levels, but it wasn't exactly a heavy cycle due to underdosed gear so your pct might want to be stronger.

    Good luck

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    Thanks for your help! Do I have to run hcg at the end of my cycle? I was planing to use only nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50 as pct and arimidex on cycle .25mg eod

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    You don't have to... but it's recommended that you run hcg on cycle for an easier recovery.
    I ran it at the end of my cycle, as I didn't use it during.
    Some people don't run it at all.

    From my experience, blasting 5000iu per week, for the last 2 weeks, BEFORE pct, went well.
    Testicular atrophy was noticeably reduced.
    Your PCT looks a tad harsh, I did lower dosages (but for longer to be safe) and recovery was fine, but everyone is different, just listen to your body and look out for symptoms of high/low test/estro.

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    I am interested to hear more about this cycle. Have you thought about keeping a log while on cycle to track progress, sides, or any change ups as mbreti did with his adex for joint issues? I am also looking to soon start my first cycle of the highly recommended TEST ONLY cycle for beginners. Prop sounds like a good choice aside from eod pins... Water retention was the main thing that stuck out as being beneficial along with the shorter pct time

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbreti View Post
    You don't have to... but it's recommended that you run hcg on cycle for an easier recovery.
    I ran it at the end of my cycle, as I didn't use it during.
    Some people don't run it at all.

    From my experience, blasting 5000iu per week, for the last 2 weeks, BEFORE pct, went well.
    Testicular atrophy was noticeably reduced.
    Your PCT looks a tad harsh, I did lower dosages (but for longer to be safe) and recovery was fine, but everyone is different, just listen to your body and look out for symptoms of high/low test/estro.
    By not running hcg will I put myself at risk of getting Gyno?

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    OMG Bro!you are not even close to being ready to cycle.i know your trying to learn but use search and do some reading ****!hcg for your balls,ai for your tits.

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    Hcg is the only thing I haven't researched. Never even heard about it before this forum.

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