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    Water weight gains vs muscle gains

    I recently started my first cycle with teste and dbol . It's been only 4 weeks and I've packed on 15lbs. I started at 227lbs and now at 242lbs. I'm 31 years old. I'm doing a 15 week cycle. I am eating 5,000 calories a day with 400 gr of protein. It's broken down into 7 meals a day. All healthy foods. I have a nutrition specialist helping me with my diet and workout plans. He knows I'm using and has adjusted my meal plans and workouts accordingly. Having said all that how much water weight have I gained compared to muscle? I'm trying to pack on as much muscle as possible. When I start cutting I want have an idea how much muscle I will gain compared to water weight. Does anyone know a good ball park figure?

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    you can use an AI to limit your water retention.

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    500 cals and 400g protein? Wow!

    What is the reasoning?

    What is your bf%?
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    I want to compete. Been a dream of mine. I'm at 17% body fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotme247
    I want to compete. Been a dream of mine. I'm at 17% body fat.
    That's the reasoning behind 5000 cals and 400g protein?

    Well, you won't be 17% for long, you'll likely be over 20% halfway through your cycle. Maybe post your diet and complete macros in our nutrition section.
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    In four weeks most of that is dbol water weight assuming your using cyp or E as your test. Test should start to kick about week 5. Are you using an AI to control estrogen side like bloat/water retention.

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    4 weeks of dbol ....prolly 10 pounds of water, maybe 3 pounds of muscle and 2 pounds fat....cuz 5000 cal is way to damn much

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    How many calories should I be eating?

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    What's ur bf?

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    I'm not taking any AI.

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    17% body fat

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    How do I post it? I signed up only an hour ago and still learning how to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotme247 View Post
    I'm not taking any AI.
    I look forward to your thread in a few weeks about how you got gyno

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    U have a lbm of 200. A tdee of 3000. That means your eating 2000 cal over ur tdee. I'd say MAX of 4000. But at ur current body fat % and not taking an ai (which you most definitely should), you should b eating about 2500 calories.

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    Oh...and fire your nutritionalist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic

    I look forward to your thread in a few weeks about how you got gyno
    That's helpful. He is here for constructive criticism on his first thread. Did you know everything when you first came here?

    OP, ignore the comment but get an AI.
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    What AI should I get?

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    Be nice to see your planned.weights/cardio routine since if your burning shedload more cals than normal it woyldnt be quiiiiiite so bad. But itd have to he serious.

    If you van post say an example of

    Daily meals

    1=
    2=
    3=
    Etcetc

    Daily routine how many p/w
    exercise1
    type/set/reps
    Exercise2
    type/set/reps
    etcetc

    Cardio how many times p/w
    Type/time

    Be interesring to see your normal calorie burn. And then your actual calorie burn
    Ppl can analyse a bit more in detail for ya.

    Edit: pl react different to different foods. Water intake/compounds etc so almost impossible to tell you accurately. Id look more from the petspective if simple lean gains. And how hard you will work to keep those gains. Water. Like money. Will come n go ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotme247 View Post
    I recently started my first cycle with teste and dbol. It's been only 4 weeks and I've packed on 15lbs. I started at 227lbs and now at 242lbs. I'm 31 years old. I'm doing a 15 week cycle. I am eating 5,000 calories a day with 400 gr of protein. It's broken down into 7 meals a day. All healthy foods. I have a nutrition specialist helping me with my diet and workout plans. He knows I'm using and has adjusted my meal plans and workouts accordingly. Having said all that how much water weight have I gained compared to muscle? I'm trying to pack on as much muscle as possible. When I start cutting I want have an idea how much muscle I will gain compared to water weight. Does anyone know a good ball park figure?
    google 1lb of steak.. there is no way you grew 15 or even 8lb of "steak" in 4 weeks. its water in the muscle and under the skin. if you are on dbol and NO AI then for sure you are puffed up.

    always run an AI on cycle imo.

    I would be happy with 10lb at the end of 15 weeks ( not water weight)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotme247 View Post
    What AI should I get?
    Personally I like letro at 0.25-0.6mg eod
    I use ar-rs alot for my research.

    dex is ok too and stane, but i use letro 90% of the time.
    keep in mind its STRONG and you need to keep dose low and to keep in mind to give it a few days if you increase dose ( if needed) to see the effect of that increase. some people raise it up and up and up thinking its not working and end up using too much and i believe that's where 80% of the complaints come from on letro ( being too strong)

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    run AI to the start of PCT btw, and i rec pct something like: 50mg clomid / 20mg tamox ed for 4 weeks. as a pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    That's helpful. He is here for constructive criticism on his first thread. Did you know everything when you first came here?

    OP, ignore the comment but get an AI.
    Im going with a tuff love approach. You no ive had the surgery. I dont want the op to have to either!!! His cycle looks reckless. high bf and no ai and eating to much food his going to be puffed up like a ballon his blood pressure may be getting high too.. And also high e2 can be raising his prolactin so now he probs need caber/prami.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotme247 View Post
    I recently started my first cycle with teste and dbol. It's been only 4 weeks and I've packed on 15lbs. I started at 227lbs and now at 242lbs. I'm 31 years old. I'm doing a 15 week cycle. I am eating 5,000 calories a day with 400 gr of protein. It's broken down into 7 meals a day. All healthy foods. I have a nutrition specialist helping me with my diet and workout plans. He knows I'm using and has adjusted my meal plans and workouts accordingly. Having said all that how much water weight have I gained compared to muscle? I'm trying to pack on as much muscle as possible. When I start cutting I want have an idea how much muscle I will gain compared to water weight. Does anyone know a good ball park figure?
    Nobody can answer that here, sight unseen. You needed to do a bod pod lbm assessment pre-cycle and then again post-cycle. I'd love to see the numbers. That's not sarcasm btw. calipers are inaccurate at best and I redly would like to see how the number comes out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroholic

    Im going with a tuff love approach. You no ive had the surgery. I dont want the op to have to either!!! His cycle looks reckless. high bf and no ai and eating to much food his going to be puffed up like a ballon his blood pressure may be getting high too.. And also high e2 can be raising his prolactin so now he probs need caber/prami.
    It's not what you said it's the way you said it.
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    I don't known if it makes any difference on the calories intake problem. but I've been working with the nutritionist for 3 months. I started out with a weight lose program. I was at 21% body fat and weighed 228. After 6 weeks I dropped to 15.5% body fat. But about 8 weeks ago I decided i wanted to add muscle. When i started the weight gain program I was at 3200 calories a day. Each week he as been gradually adding more calories. I lost 3 weeks cause i went on a trip and didn't follow the plan. But my metabolism is high and I'm hungry ever 2-3 hours. I don't know if that changes anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    It's not what you said it's the way you said it.
    Story of my life!!!!!

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    Whats your lifting experience op?

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    I've been lifting off and on for the past 5-6 years

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    Have you got your pct lined up?if yes Run your tamox in the meantime to prevant gyno while you get a ai

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    I eat over 5500 cal/day at 228 I'm slowly gaining a pound every few days. Some is fat but I'm bulking off cycle during a bridge then going back on in amother week or 2 and don't want my appetite to change. So I have specific reasons for eating that much. Unless you do, too (have specific plan tailored.to your personal history and goals) you will likely get a lot of fat gain.

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    Did you get gyno from steroids and it didn't go away when you came off and had to have surgery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotme247 View Post
    Did you get gyno from steroids and it didn't go away when you came off and had to have surgery?
    ....

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    Here's my meal plan:
    Meal 1
    6 egg whites
    3 whole eggs
    1 cup grape nuts
    1 cup 1% milk
    1 cup orange juices
    1 apple

    Meal 2
    Protein Shake
    2 fiber one bars
    2 oranges

    Meal 3
    6 oz cooked chicken breast
    1 cup green veggie
    12 oz cooked yam
    1/2 cup cottage cheese
    1 cup blueberries

    Meal 4
    6 oz sliced turkey deli meat
    2 slices whole wheat bread
    1/2 avocado
    1 string cheese
    1 orange

    Meal 5
    8 oz sirloin steak
    8 oz yams
    1 apple
    1 cup green veggies

    Meal 6
    1 1/2 cup cottage cheese
    20 triscuits
    10 almonds

    Meal 7 / post and pre workout shake
    1 protein shake before workout
    1 protein shake after
    W/ 1 cup orange juice
    2 tablespoons honey
    2 tablespoons peanut butter

    All that is 4750 calories and 380 grams protein.

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    no offense bro and more exp guys know much better than i....but...you still have some shit food choices in your diet.lots of added sodium too imo
    edit* i should say most of your diet looks decent choice wise,just a few things id personally weed out.

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    Depending how much he sweats, sodium can be fine. I take in a lot of sodium

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    i suppose

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