Thoughts & Opinions - Test/Tren

[JAY_WD]

Hi,

Can i please get as many thoughts and opinions as possible??

Does everything look ok?

Thanks

[OnTheSauce]

U didn't list anything

[austinite]

What are your full stats? And why are you playing yo-yo with your dosages?

Need your stats and body fat % to continue...

[austinite]

U didn't list anything

he posted a PDF file, probably not visible on mobile phones.

[JAY_WD]

Sorry guys its for a friend, 220lbs, 31 years old, 13% fat, and its his 5th cycle. Frontloading test enan and dosages increase when tren starts so that all gear is used by end of cycle. He doesnt want to do anymore after this one....i told him yeah right!!

Thanks.

[gianttime]

I cant see the PDF for some reason but I am liking the test/tren /masterone cycle I am running right now.
100mg tren ed
75mg mast ed
100mg test 2x week

up a ton of strength and weight goes up and down depending on if put my carbs up or run them low.. im bipolar about my waist line..

[JAY_WD]

bump for more opinions....

[JAY_WD]

Anyone else??

[OnTheSauce]

I cant see the PDF for some reason but I am liking the test/tren /masterone cycle I am running right now.
100mg tren ed
75mg mast ed
100mg test 2x week

up a ton of strength and weight goes up and down depending on if put my carbs up or run them low.. im bipolar about my waist line..

Very similar to my cycle right now

[JAY_WD]

Very similar to my cycle right now

So could you critique this plan at all? Pct start time look ok? Will nolva only pct suffice? Have yiu injected tren ace eod as opposed to ed? Are there any disadvantages to eod? Would you add hcg to pct?

[JAY_WD]

So could you critique this plan at all? Pct start time look ok? Will nolva only pct suffice? Have yiu injected tren ace eod as opposed to ed? Are there any disadvantages to eod? Would you add hcg to pct?

For those of you who cant open the file.

Its frontload of 600mg test e for first week then to 300mg ew for next two weeks, then increases and stays on 400mg ew. Test is run for a total of 12 weeks.

Tren Ace starts in week 5 @ 150mg EOD for total of 7 weeks.

4 weeks on Nolva only at 40/40/20/20/ 14 days after last test injection and 16 days after last tren ace injection.

Thought/opinions/advice??

[JAY_WD]

For those of you who cant open the file.

Its frontload of 600mg test e for first week then to 300mg ew for next two weeks, then increases and stays on 400mg ew. Test is run for a total of 12 weeks.

Tren Ace starts in week 5 @ 150mg EOD for total of 7 weeks.

4 weeks on Nolva only at 40/40/20/20/ 14 days after last test injection and 16 days after last tren ace injection.

Thought/opinions/advice??

Anyone at all??

[lolfb]

run test lower then tren . Tren binds faster and harder than test. Use a TRT dose of test, 150-200mg per week.

[JAY_WD]

Thats wat i have told him but he wants to use all test e by end of cycle rather than have 3-4ml left over. Tren still higher than test e....test e 400mg/tren ace 600mg

[lolfb]

lol tell him to give you the left over test then. Personally, I don't see a reason to run test higher then trt when using tren . Let the tren do it's magic.

[JAY_WD]

lol tell him to give you the left over test then. Personally, I don't see a reason to run test higher then trt when using tren. Let the tren do it's magic.

OK then with that being said, say test is run at 250mg per week, how high would you run the tren ??

[gymsoldier]

tren ace 600mg

150mg EOD Tren = 525mg/week

[Gaspaco]

OK then with that being said, say test is run at 250mg per week, how high would you run the tren??

Depends on individual!

Running tren first time?

[fit2bOld]

The pct is weak. Add clomid. HCG ? Noneed for the upand down with the test. If you must front load the choose a dosage and stick with it.
Tell your friend to get his own account.

[JAY_WD]

150mg EOD Tren = 525mg/week

Sun/Tues/Thurs/Sat @ 150mg each shot = 600mg

[JAY_WD]

The pct is weak. Add clomid. HCG ? Noneed for the upand down with the test. If you must front load the choose a dosage and stick with it.
Tell your friend to get his own account.

He doesnt want to run clomid due to negative sides in the past. How would you recommend to run HCG if he only wanted to use it leading up to PCT and not during cycle??

[Red Bastard]

Sun/Tues/Thurs/Sat @ 150mg each shot = 600mg

So, technically not EOD, if he pinns again on the next Sunday.
First time running tren ?

[OnTheSauce]

So could you critique this plan at all? Pct start time look ok? Will nolva only pct suffice? Have yiu injected tren ace eod as opposed to ed? Are there any disadvantages to eod? Would you add hcg to pct?

I pin ed. Hcg during cycle. Nolva and Torem would be a better pct. No real reason to front load the test since the Tren ace will hit so quick.

[JAY_WD]

So, technically not EOD, if he pinns again on the next Sunday.
First time running tren?

The next shot would then be on Monday. ....isn't that how EOD works? It's his 4th time running tren .

[songdog]

I would never play with the doses like that.No matter wat the reason.His blood levels will be all over the place.

[oliver2828]

make sure you run the test ATLEAST 2 weeks past the tren IMO

[JAY_WD]

make sure you run the test ATLEAST 2 weeks past the tren IMO

Any reason why..?? Anyone else agree with this?

[Red Bastard]

The next shot would then be on Monday. ....isn't that how EOD works? It's his 4th time running tren.

Yes.
Not trying to be argumentative, though that is how EOD works, it does not add up to 600 per week. It's 525 mg/week, as it's 3.5 shots per week.

[OnTheSauce]

Any reason why..?? Anyone else agree with this?

I've heard it makes recovery easier although I havent seen anything to justify it. Just broscience at this point as far as im concerned

[Lunk1]

I agree. I have done it and it changed nothing. Just means you are shutdown that much longer

[JAY_WD]

I've heard it makes recovery easier although I havent seen anything to justify it. Just broscience at this point as far as im concerned

So as long as pct starts 14 days after last test shot then that would be correct?

[JAY_WD]

Whats everyone thoughts on running HCG through this cycle? 150iu's every 3 days seem ok?

Also, if running HCG on cycle, is it vital that your run an AI as well or can you just run HCG by itself??

[gymsoldier]

Because maths doesn't seem to be your strong suit, I'll help you out again.

HCG is recommended at 500IU/wk.

150IU E3D = 350IU/wk
200IU E3D = 467IU/wk
225IU E3D = 525IU/wk

Or you could just make life easy and pin 250IU every 3.5 days.

Yes, AI always while on cycle.

[JAY_WD]

Because maths doesn't seem to be your strong suit, I'll help you out again.

HCG is recommended at 500IU/wk.

150IU E3D = 350IU/wk
200IU E3D = 467IU/wk
225IU E3D = 525IU/wk

Or you could just make life easy and pin 250IU every 3.5 days.

Yes, AI always while on cycle.

Thanks Gymsoldier....no.......not my strong point.

JUst to clarify....AI always on cycle why??

Is this to reduce total overall estrogen whilst on cycle?

He has always run cycles in the past (5 to date) without an AI and never had an issue with estrogen sides...

My question was do you need to run an AI on cycle if you choose to run HCG throughout your cycle?

Must they be used together or can you get away wth HCG alone??

Thanks again for your help...

[gymsoldier]

He has always run cycles in the past (5 to date) without an AI and never had an issue with estrogen sides...

How do you know? Did he get bloods done?

My question was do you need to run an AI on cycle if you choose to run HCG throughout your cycle??

And I answered.

Yes, AI always while on cycle.

And in fairness, it should be him online asking these questions!

[JAY_WD]

How do you know? Did he get bloods done?



And I answered.



And in fairness, it should be him online asking these questions!

He doesn't believe in this stuff so i will be showing him this thread as proof...

[JAY_WD]

Ok so how does this look now:

400mg Test e for 10 weeks
600mg Tren A for 7 weeks

Aromasin on cycle at 0.25mg EOD
HCG @ 250iu every 3.5 days.

Should HCG and Aromasin be started from beginning of cycle or only around week 4-5 when test kicks in?

PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Dont want to run clomid due to sides - Toremifene @ 120/60/60/30 ok instead?

Also, i've read that Dbol and Tren work synergistically.

Should Dbol be run at same time as Tren or best to use as kickstart in first 4 weeks?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

1 Question I would have is has he ran Tren before ? I am 53 and tried to run Tren at only 80 mg EOD and I could not handle it ! It completly rocked my world and I could not function while on Tren like I was jumpy all the time and paranoid it is some wicked Gear and not for the weak at heart ! Nothing I have ever tried compares to the fast acting and emotional and it is strong stuff

It does make your muscle hard and lean IMHO from what I have read and the smart guys are welcome to correct me but I saw and liked the results of Masterone better than Tren and the Masteron actuall helps lower E2's and not as harsh on the body + more fat loss abilitty while using IMHO ! Younger guys may enjoy the Tren experience but for an old man it was rocket fuel or the guy I got mine from did not mix it properly I was wode open 24/7 and seemed to never burn out in the gym like never could do enough to feel like I had got a muscle break down from the training session ?

I Like just Old Basic:

Cypionate 250 @ 750 a week 375 mg Every 3.5 days
Propionate 150 @ 450 a week 225 mg every
Deca 300 @ 300 a week 150 every 3.5 days
Masterone 200 @ 600 per 8 Weeks EOD with an off day

Then back to TRT And as far as HCG goes I reconstitute as Old sticky states 2 ml of Bac water per 5000 iu's and I take 1 tic a day every day

This was like a natural high and slept very well trained 2 x's a day no ED leaned up a bunch and loving life @ 54 years old very soon

[JAY_WD]

Thanks for the feedback...what are everyone else's thoughts??

[JAY_WD]

bump..