Which pins?

**Fng2aas** · 06-19-2013, 03:42 AM

I am currently priming to do my first cycle of test prop and winny. I have 18 gauge pins but am curious what the smallest pins for each type you guys and gals have been able to use. Also what other areas are less painful to stick besides glutes? Thanks

**austinite** · 06-19-2013, 03:47 AM

Use that harpoon to draw the gear. Don't inject with it. Go with a 1" 23 to 25 gauge. Inject wherever you're comfortable. Delts, Lats, Traps, Quads, Biceps, Pecs, etc...

**clarky.** · 06-19-2013, 03:51 AM

NO NO NO NO don't use 18g to pin you use them to draw from the vial use a 23g or 25g to pin they will probs all be painful for the first couple of times because it's virgin muscle remember to rotate your sites post your planed cycle up including pct

Your to fast austinite lol

**Java Man** · 06-19-2013, 04:15 AM

Yep. Lots of pain and tissue trauma of you pin with those monsters. Nobody will know how tough you are either because you hopefully don't pin with an audience

**crazy mike** · 06-19-2013, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by Fng2aas

I am currently priming to do my first cycle of test prop and winny. I have 18 gauge pins but am curious what the smallest pins for each type you guys and gals have been able to use. Also what other areas are less painful to stick besides glutes? Thanks

Here we go. I won't go into it but support what Austinite said. 22G 1-1/2 " long or 23G 1" long. An 18G will leave a fvcking hole in you, or close. Have you looked at the difference between 18 and 23. If you do you will answer your own Q.

Less painful, like in the hospital. in your a$$, glute. The largest of area. Do some reading on here, Google injections. Please get to know the dynamics the mechanics of what you are doing. Luck to ya. ....crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 06-19-2013, 05:36 AM

[QUOTE=clarky.;6585752]NO NO NO NO don't use 18g to pin you use them to draw from the vial use a 23g or 25g to pin they will probs all be painful for the first couple of times because it's virgin muscle remember to rotate your sites post your planed cycle up including pct END QUOTE

I have to get in here Clarky. And correct you. Please just stay away from the monster 18 G. Even for drawing. Some of the rubber stoppers these days are of poor quality and with the 18 gauge you can tear, weaken or cause a larger hole when using it to puncture the rubber top, thus allowing it to drip just a bit. This I've seen more than once. ...crazy mike

**Rv8G30** · 06-19-2013, 12:07 PM

I have to agree with crazy mike. Theres no reason to use an 18 gauge to draw. If your that impatient then aas isnt for you. It wreaks havoc on the stopper. I did it twice and went back to a smaller gauge.

Ive always used 25 gauge to draw and pin. Someone talked me into 21 gauge to pin and the difference is huge. Id probably settle for 23 gauge all around. Seems to be the best comprimise.

**crazy mike** · 06-19-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rv8G30

I have to agree with crazy mike. Theres no reason to use an 18 gauge to draw. If your that impatient then aas isnt for you. It wreaks havoc on the stopper. I did it twice and went back to a smaller gauge.

Ive always used 25 gauge to draw and pin. Someone talked me into 21 gauge to pin and the difference is huge. Id probably settle for 23 gauge all around. Seems to be the best comprimise.

Thank you for you comment. Finally someone supported. 23 G all around works, best. Not rocket science. Cool beans . ...crazy mike

**drake4243** · 06-19-2013, 03:07 PM

hahaha i would love to see you use that 18g haha oh yeah! I have always used 26g 1inch for every site nice and easy never had a problem all these years.

**MuscleInk** · 06-19-2013, 03:10 PM

18g!?!?!?! Hell no, NEVER!!!

25 or 27g

**poloblue** · 06-19-2013, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Fng2aas

I am currently priming to do my first cycle of test prop and winny. I have 18 gauge pins but am curious what the smallest pins for each type you guys and gals have been able to use. Also what other areas are less painful to stick besides glutes? Thanks

This is your first time.... Use 22... The reason I say is because you gonna be nervous as fcuk and might freak out at seeing yourself injecting yourself.. The oil will flow fast threw that 22 then a 23... 23 might take a little bit longer to release the oil from the needle and that won't be fun if you did start to get nervous... Use a 18 to get oil out of bottle....

**Fng2aas** · 06-20-2013, 03:09 AM

Cool, thanks for the advice everyone! Any recommendations on dosages? I've got an idea but since its my first one I don't really want to overdo it. And as far as pct..... Well, I've got arimidex that I was going to take during as well as pct but what is a good option to boost natty test pct?

**austinite** · 06-20-2013, 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by Fng2aas

Cool, thanks for the advice everyone! Any recommendations on dosages? I've got an idea but since its my first one I don't really want to overdo it. And as far as pct..... Well, I've got arimidex that I was going to take during as well as pct but what is a good option to boost natty test pct?

Nope. You'll need to give a full and complete cycle for critique

Include all your stats.

**Fng2aas** · 06-20-2013, 03:16 AM

Also, I am in no rush. I am perfectly fine with another priming cycle if I don't have everything. I would really just rather do it right from the start. I am 5'8" 235 with about 18% bf . I need to lose quite a bit of bf pre cycle hopefully.I eat clean ckd for 8 weeks now but can't seem to break the barrier. Work out 3x eod and only light li cardio 2x week. I'm sure stepping up cardio will help immensely.

**Fng2aas** · 06-20-2013, 03:20 AM

I was thinking 50mg Ed winny and 100 mg prop eod and adding aramid ex although I'm not sure what's good dose on that

**Fng2aas** · 06-20-2013, 03:21 AM

12 week cycle

**gymsoldier** · 06-20-2013, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Fng2aas

I was thinking 50mg Ed winny and 100 mg prop eod and adding aramid ex although I'm not sure what's good dose on that

Oral or depot winny?

**Fng2aas** · 06-20-2013, 03:24 AM

Depot

**gymsoldier** · 06-20-2013, 03:39 AM

It's still 17aa, so I wouldn't run it for 12 weeks.

It's a killer to pin, but you can drink it. I've heard mixed opinions on the higher bioavailability of IM winny over orally taking it.

**Fng2aas** · 06-20-2013, 03:43 AM

What about 100mg prop eod and 50mg winny Ed starting week 6-12? Would that be better?

**Fng2aas** · 06-20-2013, 04:10 AM

Ill rethink my cycle and post it again and see what everyone thinks. Thanks everyone.

**clarky.** · 06-20-2013, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

[QUOTE=clarky.;6585752]NO NO NO NO don't use 18g to pin you use them to draw from the vial use a 23g or 25g to pin they will probs all be painful for the first couple of times because it's virgin muscle remember to rotate your sites post your planed cycle up including pct END QUOTE

I have to get in here Clarky. And correct you. Please just stay away from the monster 18 G. Even for drawing. Some of the rubber stoppers these days are of poor quality and with the 18 gauge you can tear, weaken or cause a larger hole when using it to puncture the rubber top, thus allowing it to drip just a bit. This I've seen more than once. ...crazy mike

no probs mate I don't even use that g I us a 22g for pulling I just said that because that's what he had