Deca Durabolin or Sustanon after Andriol ?

[forfing]

Hello,

I have been taking Andriol as a cycle and gave me great results (fat loss + lean muscle gain).

I would like to go for injection now for it's convenience of not having to take 8 pills a day...

Would you recommend me Dec or Sustanon as a first injectable cycle ?

What would be in your opinion the right dosage and cycle lenght ?

I am 1.77 cm / 28 / 83 KG and 10% BF or a 3500 calories diet.

Thanks for your input.

Cheers

[Fcarey32]

I wouldn't run it all so long.. Shorten it up.

[Back In Black]

Why are you extending your cycle? How long have you been on so far? I thought you were planning on running a pct for your andriol ?

[forfing]

Hi BIB,

I decided to keep going cause the gain on test are so good.

Would like to follow with a 2 month test cycle.

I am open to your advice input about which test would be closer to Andriol in term of effects ?

Thanks for all

[AD]

Normally, for casual lifters like us, i would try to not stay on for longer than 3-4months max. Its always better to come off and recover before jumping on again. Unless you're on trt. Then recovery is not relevant any more.

[fit2bOld]

Really time to come off and let your system recover. AAS works best in small step not big leaps. Diet and workout are still the key to success.

[MR-FQ320]

8 pills a day ? Of Anadrol ?


How old are you ?

[Back In Black]

8 pills a day ? Of Anadrol ?

How old are you ?

Andriol . Oral test. Most definitely not anadrol.

[forfing]

Hello All,

Thanks for your input, i think you are right to come off Andriol (And not Andadrol MR FQ320).

When do you recommend me to start a proper T cycle ?

Would you mind giving me some input about this next cycle ?

Cheers

[MR-FQ320]

Andriol. Oral test. Most definitely not anadrol.

Ok thanks, what is that TRT ?

[Back In Black]

Run your PCT as suggested.

Time on + PCT = time off.

What are your stats anyway?

[forfing]

It's just the only form of Oral T available right now. The Andriol testocaps are the new version of the andriol which used to be unstable. This new version do not need to be refrigerated.

In regard of the Andriol effects my results are good. This stuff gives you the most awsome feeling ever, the best pre-workout ever !

On the strenght size i went up 15% roughly, but the most amazing effect is the constant energy i get from this, like nothing can stop me during my workout. An amazing feeling which is really addictive. Otherwise i lost a lot of BF while staying at same weight.

Cheers

[forfing]

Run your PCT as suggested.

Time on + PCT = time off.

What are your stats anyway?

Good advice, thanks. My stats : I am 1.77 cm / 28 yo / 83 KG and 10% BF or a 3500 calories diet.

My goal on the next cycle would be to reach 86KG while lowering my B.F at 9%.

Could u recommend me something about the next cycle T only ?

[Back In Black]

Ok thanks, what is that TRT ?

Not in the OP's case. But it requires several pills a day at regular intervals. And it's expensive, particularly compared to injectable test. I think it's the same as injectable Nebbiolo but much, much faster acting of corse.

[MR-FQ320]

Good advice, thanks. My stats : I am 1.77 cm / 28 yo / 83 KG and 10% BF or a 3500 calories diet.

My goal on the next cycle would be to reach 86KG while lowering my B.F at 9%.

Could u recommend me something about the next cycle T only ?

Recomend reading and researching

[forfing]

Yes i agree with you FQ 320 but doesnt means i cant ask your opinion which seems to be valuable.

[MR-FQ320]

Yes i agree with you FQ 320 but doesnt means i cant ask your opinion which seems to be valuable.

What was the question again ?

[AD]

What was the question again ?

How to do a test only cycle. With injectables.

[forfing]

Hello,

I wanted to ask you... for a test cycle is it possible to consider a 2 weeks cycle only as a first cycle, i saw some people doing such things as a first inject. Cycle.

Thanks

[Back In Black]

Hello,

I wanted to ask you... for a test cycle is it possible to consider a 2 weeks cycle only as a first cycle, i saw some people doing such things as a first inject. Cycle.

Thanks

Run your PCt.

Then do ALOT of research.

[forfing]

yet my pct is in progress ! However i am going to do some T test tmw to be sure the pct is required, wanna see if i am really shut down by andriol .

[Back In Black]

yet my pct is in progress ! However i am going to do some T test tmw to be sure the pct is required, wanna see if i am really shut down by andriol.

What does that mean? You are getting bloodwork?

[forfing]

Yes i find it irrelevant to keep running a PCT that could be useless, after stopping andriol i still feel so much energy and pumped... wondering if my t production was affected, let's see what B Work is showing

[Back In Black]

Yes i find it irrelevant to keep running a PCT that could be useless, after stopping andriol i still feel so much energy and pumped... wondering if my t production was affected, let's see what B Work is showing

You got bloodwork before your cycle too, right?

[Capebuffalo]

How long have you been off the oral test?

[forfing]

yes did one bf, off for 4 days now.

[Capebuffalo]

What is the half life? Will it be cleared for bw in 5 days. Plus you say you started pct. I do t think you will get an accurat reading.

[AD]

Very short half-life i believe. Less than a day.

[Capebuffalo]

Very short half-life i believe. Less than a day.

Really. Wow.

[forfing]

Ad is right, half life is less than a day, it's the reason that if you want andriol to be effective you need to take :

X2 at wake up with Bkfeast
X2 at 10am lunch
X2 at lunch
X2 in afternoon
X2 with dinner

[AD]

Forfing, although andriol is not usually used for cycling purposes, i think it is still safer to follow the usual off-cycle protocol. Do your pct and check bloodwork 4wks after that. If everything is fine, you can research and run an injectable cycle after the appropriate time off. Its safer to not take any shortcuts.

[forfing]

Hi Ad,

Thanks for your input and wise advice, it's always nice to get enlighted advice such as yours.

I plan to start my T inectable cycle mid sept.

[AD]

Hi Ad,

Thanks for your input and wise advice, it's always nice to get enlighted advice such as yours.

I plan to start my T inectable cycle mid sept.

Sept sounds ok but there are other things to consider. You need to read up on AI, HCG , beginner cycle dosage, and proper pct. You will also need time to gather all the gear and supporting compounds. Dont start till you have read and understood everything, and gathered everything you need.

[forfing]

Ad, i had a discussion with my doctor who advice me the following if i need to do the cycle :

1/ 500mg test cypionate a week / 10 weeks
2/ Oral Stanazol in the last 6 weeks.
3/ Nolvadex : 1 tab a day
4/ Chlomid for pct

Would you have comments about that ?

[marcus300]

I would listen to bodybuilder rather than your doctor when it comes to cycles.

pct needs to be nolva and clomid.

hcg neds to be ran during the cycle.

no need for stan if its your proper first cycle.

You need an AI instead of nolva during the cycle.

andriol needs to be ran at a very high dose and also during the night to get the best benefit out of it, it also shuts down your natural test, don't be confused it wont.

[qscgugcsq]

Dont listen to your doc...

Stupid advice IMO

Sure with nolva you wont have bitch tits, however your estrogen will still be through the roof... And that is very dangerous for you heart and mood...

Nolvadex needs to go in pct and an AI during post cycle. Its way more efficient and safe.

Plus HCG will help you to recover faster. Not needed but greatly advised...

Good luck

[AD]

Marcus answered your questions, forfing. Taking nolva during cycle is very old school. You use an AI nowadays.

Its not right for me to recite to you the A to Z of it all. One of the stickies above talk about AI. There are some good threads on beginners' cycles. Or you can just read through other members' questions. A lot of people ask the same questions. Just reading the responses, you may find things that answer your own questions too. If you log on and read the first page of q&a everyday, i believe you will be an expert in less than a wk.

[forfing]

Hello Guys,

I just fined tuned my first cycle and i would love to get your comments.

1/ 500mg test cypionate a week / 10 weeks. (250 Monday morning and 250 Thursday evening)

2/ Arimidex .5 every day through the whole cycle.

3/ HCG through the whole cycle : 250iu 2xW will go to 3xW if my testicules are showing signs of shrinkage.

PCT :

I will start the PCT 2 week after last pin (Test C is a long ester testosterone with a half life of roughly 12 days.)

Nolva only 40/40/20/20

Would you guys have comments ?

Thanks very much.

P.

[AD]

Much better

Start adex at 0.25mg eod instead of 0.5mg ed

Pct with both clomid and nolva.

Hows your diet and training like?

[forfing]

Add, may i know the reason behing the fact u combien clomid and nolva ?

thx

ps : i will expose my training and diet in my next post as i need to go now

Cheers