Anavar vs Winny

[john1031]

Which would be more recommended to be used in a First cycle? Also could Clen be cycled on and off 2 on 2 off or would that be to much?

[austinite]

Neither one really. How old are you and what are your stats?

[Chx beach 79]

At 21 years old neither of those compounds is any good. STAY AWAY!

[john1031]

21 200 I did an earlier post but all people did was argue on it >..< Ive been lifting since 8th grade with football. But in this last year i decided to start being a lot more serious with nutrition and form. So ive dropped form 275 to about 200. Im having amazing progress im just tried of taking the slow road. Ive been doing a lot of research on cycles for first timers and a lot of them suggest using Dbol , but i don't want to bulk. Bulk is really easy for me i just want help cutting down bf% and building a little bit more lean mass. Last time i measured about 3 weeks ago i was about 14.53%.

[Chx beach 79]

21 200 I did an earlier post but all people did was argue on it >..< Ive been lifting since 8th grade with football. But in this last year i decided to start being a lot more serious with nutrition and form. So ive dropped form 275 to about 200. Im having amazing progress im just tried of taking the slow road. Ive been doing a lot of research on cycles for first timers and a lot of them suggest using Dbol, but i don't want to bulk. Bulk is really easy for me i just want help cutting down bf% and building a little bit more lean mass. Last time i measured about 3 weeks ago i was about 14.53%.

Dbol is extremely liver toxic. Honestly it seems like you achieved amazing results in the last year! You lost 75lbs. That is great!.. Hit up the nutrition section and dial in your diet even better... Wait a few years for AAS.

[Zodiac85]

If you've spent some time researching around here, you'll already know that the next several posts are going to say that you're too young.

Then you'll get upset and say you know what you're doing.

Then they'll get annoyed and become more aggressive about it.

This could continue for several iterations. Hope I'm wrong though! There's some really knowledgeable people around here.

And for what it's worth, you definitely don't want dbol given your stated goals.

[john1031]

i know people are going to say im too young, and its not going to annoy me by people stating this. All im saying is if in my mind ive stated i want to use AAS, then id simple rather the help to make sure i do things correctly. And yea i know i dont want anything to do with dbol , im just trying to keep cutting bf just takes so ****ing long lol. But my main thing is i want to make sure by next year(at the latest) i can start competing in some form. but i know im way to high in bf to even consider it at this time. Plus on all the research ive done AAS are all most required when trying to compete (on most levels at least). I looked at the section on here with good first cycles for newbies, and i saw most with dbol and a few with winny, but none with Anavar . Is Anavar not good for a first cycle? I like pretty much 90% of everything ive read on Anavar.

[Zodiac85]

By competing, you mean bodybuilding? Or did I miss something?

And whether to look at anavar , winny or dbol , you were thinking of running a base of test also right? Please note: I'm not recommending that you do this, I agree with all the vets around here. Just trying to understand your thinking.

[Zodiac85]

Also got to say... I don't think 75lbs in a year or so is the slow road! Congratulations. I feel like I'm doing well to lose a lb a week.

[john1031]

yea i mean bodybuilding, sorry i was a lot more informal in my last post. Yes i know i would need a test base. i was thinking something like test 300 or so. But i wasn't sure what i can use with it(1 cause it would be first cycle) and (2 cause i dont want to blow the **** up). And when i was reading thought most of the AAS Anavar sounded like my magical little friend ive been looking for my whole life lol But i didnt see Anavar on the list for first cycles for newbies so i wasnt sure if its because its not a good one for a first timer. But i did see Winy there so i wasnt sure if like winy would be a good choice for a first cycle then if i choose to do a second one at a later time that then Anavar would be a better choice at that time.

[john1031]

well i was really fat lol i was a offensive lineman my whole life so yea.. nutrition wasn't important but i changed that and turned everything around. And dont get me wrong im proud of what ive done i will never say that im just not satisfied lol and im ready to push forward to bigger and better things now.

[Zodiac85]

Are you looking to use aas as a short cut to lose weight? Or to try to maintain muscle mass while you cut more quickly?

I'm sorry if I'm asking things you've already stated. I'm starting to feel like I may have missed another post of yours or something.

If it's the first one: you don't need aas for that. Keep doing what you're doing.

The second: aas can be used that way. BUT you're too young! :-)

[john1031]

Im trying to maintain muscle mass why shredding through this damn fat lol And i know im too young, Im not asking for anyone to tell me "yes you should be using AAS" Im looking for someone who will help to make sure im doing things correctly. Ive all ready convinced my self to use AAS, Im fine with it, I know the risk and i know the rewards, and ill take my chances. But i just want want to make sure i do this correctly instead of wrong.

[Zodiac85]

Well, good luck to you. My only real advice is do your research. Your questions are answered in the stickies.