beginner steroid user, need tips

**dannzel** · 07-15-2013, 08:59 AM

Hi all, I´m new to this forum and I want to post a question...
I´m 34 years old around 170cm (5´7) and 68kg (150 lbs) at around 10-11% bf
I´ve taken 2 short and not really effective cycle with testosterone only, one 6 weeks and one 3 weeks
After that I´ve done a lot of reading and I came up with a cycle that seems pretty standard for a beginner

that is testosterone enanthate 250mg 2x a week for 10 weeks
Dianabol 30mg a day for the first 4 weeks of the cycle

pct is nolvadex 20mg a day for 4 weeks, starting 2 weeks after the cycle

Now here is were it got complicated, you see I´m an Icelandic guy living in Indonesia and I have to get this stuff through black marked, I already got the dianabol and I verified it to be the real deal.

When I asked about the test. the guy said he got the enanthate so we arranged a price and it was to get delivered to me, it came so i opened the box and later realized it was not t. enanthate but testobolin 325. Now that I had broken the seal the guy refuses to take it back

Now I´ve tried to read up on if I can use the testobolin instead of test E.
From what I think seems to be the problem is that because the testobolin is a mixture of esters I will not get the full potential of the short esters, but I don´t want to inject more often than 2x per week unless I can use half a ml per shot or something because I don´t want more test (its already more test than what I wanted, 325 mg. instead of 250)

So my question is this, does it make a big difference between the two or is testobolin a good alternative?

**ChiveOn** · 07-15-2013, 09:55 AM

I used sust 250 for my first cycle, blends aren't the greatest IMO. If you can pin E3D that's what I would recommend. It won't kill you to go twice a week but I certainly wouldn't go less.
What are you doing for an AI?

**dannzel** · 07-15-2013, 11:49 AM

Hi, ChiveOn, thanks for the reply, So you´re saying I should just shoot every 3 days instead of mon-thurs, even if the cycle would be shorter? I´ve decided to got with nolva as my pct but you think i need Arimidex as well? I looked into it but it´s kinda hard to find here, is it important? I want to prevent gyno and get my balls in function ASAP so is it not enough to have nolva at hand during my cycle and for 4 weeks after (2 weeks later)?

**Quester** · 07-15-2013, 07:40 PM

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**ChiveOn** · 07-15-2013, 09:36 PM

The site sponsor sells both nolva and clomid for pct. it also sells your AI in the form of liquid stane (aromasin ) or liquidex (arimidex ). An AI is used on cycle to control your estrogen levels, helping prevent gyno and other high e2 symptoms.

If you can get your hands on it HCG is used on cycle to combat testicular atrophy. It will also make it easier to restart your natural test production upon completing your cycle.
Do a bit more reading. It sounds like you're lacking some key knowledge on cycle ancillaries, specifically your AI. It's important

**Usernameabp** · 07-15-2013, 09:56 PM

How much is in the bottle Cuz it say 35 mg I'm pretty sure
I'm gonna need more than that daily. And it say liquid
Never heard of that.

**dannzel** · 07-16-2013, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by ChiveOn

The site sponsor sells both nolva and clomid for pct. it also sells your AI in the form of liquid stane (aromasin ) or liquidex (arimidex ). An AI is used on cycle to control your estrogen levels, helping prevent gyno and other high e2 symptoms.

If you can get your hands on it HCG is used on cycle to combat testicular atrophy. It will also make it easier to restart your natural test production upon completing your cycle.
Do a bit more reading. It sounds like you're lacking some key knowledge on cycle ancillaries, specifically your AI. It's important

Thanks I will do some more reading on the AI, but from what i´ve read so far the pct is just about choosing nolva or clomid, are you saying I need both? Sorry I don´t mean to sound like I need to be fed all the information, it´s just that this is kinda complicated for me, maybe because English is my second language.
So armidex (20mg?) a day for all my cycle then nolva (and clomid?) 2 weeks after my cycle for 4 weeks, how does that sound?

**Bio-Active** · 07-16-2013, 04:13 AM

Your pct should look like nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/50 yes you should run both and if you are running Adex during your cycle to control e start at .25 eod and adjust from there

**clarky.** · 07-16-2013, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Your pct should look like nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/50 yes you should run both and if you are running Adex during your cycle to control e start at .25 eod and adjust from there

This ^^^ and take your time don't just jump in because you have some stuff read the stickies on here educate yourself do it proper.

**dannzel** · 07-16-2013, 08:04 AM

Thanx you guys, I really appreciate it

will keep on reading and not start till I got all the things needed to follow Jim´s advise on the cycle and try to do it proper

,

So adex is good but not necessary, but a must to prevent gyno during cycle, right?
And the T. blends are ok, but not the best?

Thanks so much

**ChiveOn** · 07-16-2013, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Usernameabp

How much is in the bottle Cuz it say 35 mg I'm pretty sure
I'm gonna need more than that daily. And it say liquid
Never heard of that.

It's days on the bottle how many ml are present, as well as the concentration. (Mg/ml) I believe most are 30ml. Clomid is 60ml.

Yes, blends will work but it's harder to control easily. The short esters need to be pinned EoD. Long esters twice a week. With 4 esters you see the problem. Also, each ester on its own in the blend is much underdosed compared to what you would use of that ester on its own. Because it relies so heavily on the others to boost it. Making the short esters hard to control and kind of useless at the beginning of the cycle.

I would recommend adex or aromasin on cycle as a must. Not a maybe. It's not just to prevent gyno there's a lot of other estrogen related sides. Lethargy, dick problems, fat tissue / water retention gains, etc. look into it. There's a reson why we say AI with all cycles is something you should do unless you have bloodwork to prove you don't need it

**Usernameabp** · 07-16-2013, 10:29 AM

Do you know of a site that has clomid and adex?

**ChiveOn** · 07-16-2013, 10:32 AM

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**dannzel** · 07-16-2013, 11:29 AM

Thanks alot ChiveOn, I was just finishing reading the sticky on the AI and I´ll get some aromasin ASAP

**Usernameabp** · 07-16-2013, 01:45 PM

I still don't understand how to take it or how much the
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**Back In Black** · 07-16-2013, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Usernameabp

I still don't understand how to take it or how much the
Site sponsor sells

I'm hoping that at 20 and with the nutrition questions you ask, you aren't seriously considering jumping into a cycle.

**dannzel** · 07-18-2013, 09:39 AM

Is it a good idea to inject 1/2 ml every other day to get better use of the short esters?

**ChiveOn** · 07-18-2013, 09:44 AM

That's your call man, it's why I wouldn't use a blend again. On one hand that makes sense. But on the other hand the dose of Prop in said blen is so low already... It's almost pointless to pin it at half a ml.
Maybe someone else has a better answer. I stuck to 1ml (250mg) e3d. Saw great results outta a first cycle. But again, is stick to single ester in the future

**dannzel** · 07-18-2013, 12:08 PM

Ok. thanx, I´ll stick to 1ml e3d then instead of 0,5ml eod, would have liked to use the test e. but since the bastard cheated me I´m stuck with the damn blend