Where'd I go wrong?

**winny freak** · 05-21-2003, 09:44 PM

O.K. I am pulling my hair out! I've read and read and read some more but
I have confused myself. First let me thenk the few vets i have correspnded with,second let me say I KNOW I started out bad.(first cycle:50mg stanv eod.5weeks though because I didnt have enough money)I like what I saw but now I want more!my body fat dropped around 4-5% from cycle Im hanging around 10%.What I hope to gain(for now)is around 15-20 lbs.2nd mistake: I have got my kit and cartridge to convert,but I only got 1 cart and a 4g kit.

this is what I'm planning.Any Comments are appriciated

Fina 30-40 mg EOD(mg low cuz the cart\kit prob.)6 weeks 1-6
Ent 250mg week wks 1-8
prop. 50 mg (week 1 days 2,4)
clomid starts week 10 100mg day wk 11 50mg day?
do I need noladex just in case?how much?
also like to see a chart for clen .

and any links to dieting would be greatly appreciated. Former fatboy here
was 205+ in Jan. Got down to 177 by end of Feb.now at 182-186?

If its pertinent I'm 5'10" 185 28 yrs.

Thank you all very much. Freak

P.S. Why did'nt someone P.M. me about my name?the first time I registerd I used my real first and last name(JACKASS)

***JohnnyB*** · 05-21-2003, 10:13 PM

Why not the basic test cycle to start, then in your 3 or 4th cycle go with fina. That's a strong drug to be using when you've never done a real cycle.

JohnnyB

**winny freak** · 05-21-2003, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyB
Why not the basic test cycle to start, then in your 3 or 4th cycle go with fina. That's a strong drug to be using when you've never done a real cycle.

JohnnyB

I guess it comes to my lack of patience.I was thimking I might get more IF I use tren ,but at a light dose since first time around.also I sounds like "THE" wonder drug of all steriods .It is the only thing I have Right now so I have to WAit anyway so I probably will test only.need to get at least 1 more cart anyhow.since it is first real run can anyone give me a short pros vs. cons on comparison of

wks.1-10 300mg deca
wks 1-10 20mg a day
vs.
10 wk Ent.250mg/week

thanks Johnny-b

And any links ARE WELCOME I can't read enough
just need a little help sortin it all out on occassion

FREAK

**winny freak** · 05-21-2003, 11:02 PM

20mg a day would b d- bol

**nmk85roll** · 05-22-2003, 09:04 AM

Your tren dose is way to low, most people start at 75mg/d.

TAKE YOUR TIME BRO!!! This isn't shit to be messing around with. If you don't have patience, you shouldn't be using roids.

**winny freak** · 05-22-2003, 02:32 PM

Fair enough, I am trying to slow my pace. Like I said, I have no problem starting with something else. This is my first real cycle and I know I don't have enough tren to utilize it anyhow. Can anyone offer insight on the comparison or offer any links where I can read more. Also does it matter which MOD I e-mail with source check? I want to learn, don't get the wrong idea, I have just read so much I get it jumbled together. That's why I'm here, seeking insight from those who know.

**sin** · 05-22-2003, 02:46 PM

you used your real name

oops!

**superjew** · 05-22-2003, 03:04 PM

I'd just run Test alone at 400-500mgs. per week. And if you can afford it than run Test 400mgs. per week and either Deca or EQ at 400mgs. per week. Tren is no better than Test in my opinion, other than it's cheaper. Plus it can be quite harsh on some users. Test prop is fine but requires frequent injections. It's advantage is that you will hold less water than you would with Test Enanthate or Cyp. If you're looking for a "real" first cycle than I'd run this:

Test- 400mgs. per week split up on Monday and Thursday
Deca- 400mgs. per week split up on Monday and Thursday
Get some Nolvadex in case any gyno starts up or if you are holding a ton of water. And make sure you have your clomid post cycle. And no it doesn't matter which Mod you check with, though I'd check with 2 or 3 to be sure.

**nmk85roll** · 05-22-2003, 06:38 PM

If it's your first cycle, I'd suggest some longer acting esters so you only have inject twice a week. My first cycle consisted of:
500mg of test e per week
400mg EQ per week
I ran both of these for 10 weeks.
I ran dbol at 40mg/d for the first 4 weeks.

I saw great results with this. This is just an example. Superjew had a good recommendation as well.

**winny freak** · 05-22-2003, 07:13 PM

O.K.

I checked my product available list. How would deca 300mg x 10 wks
and test cyp.l.a.400mgs x 10 wks

both ttokyo.90$ for deca/42$ for cyp x 2 174$ total? is that good ?
also what does test.cyp. 200 L.A. mean???
am i right 200 mgs/per ml.

Thanks Super and Roll
FREAK

**superjew** · 05-22-2003, 08:21 PM

300mgs. of Deca a week and 400mgs. of Test should be great. I've seen people make great gains on a C.C. or two a week, with their diet and training in check. The prices seem pretty good, but I'm not too familiar with vet gear. Hopefully one of the "vet" guys can help you out with the L.A. question. Good luck bro!