Testosterone Cypionate + HCG + Dbol?

[mkelly]

I feel ok. Should I not?

[austinite]

I feel ok. Should I not?

Start your own thread please.

[starkiller]

Welcome,

- We don't understand CC's, milligrams only. 1 CC of Cyp doesn't mean anything.
- No dbol needed.
- You need Clomid along with Nolva to better your chances of recovery.
- 8 weeks is not enough
- Split hCG dose to twice weekly at 250 IU each
- You will not gain 10 to 15 lbs of lean muscle.
- You need an aromatase inhibitor.

Good luck.

I like this ^^^ :-)

[macelroy]

Still no backing, just random statements. You keep saying "I've read somewhere" yet you go into no detail....

There are 2 major components involved in recovery. Testosterone production and Spermatogenesis.

LH and FSH are both required for the equation. LH is produced by the pituitary and stimulates the Leydig cells to produce testosterone. Once testosterone is in production it works alongside FSH and stimulates sertoli cells to produce sperm. Sperm production is hindered if either of these are unhealthy. They both work in synergy. You need BOTH to be at healthy levels.

clomid has multiple effects. It's an anti-estrogen, so it obviously decreases the estrogenic effects in your body by stimulating the Hypothalamus back to life and sending gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) to your pituitary, so that LH/FSH can be secreted.

Nolva boosts the effects of clomid because it put clomid into "competition" mode where they both fight for a receptors to bind to. This competitiveness will only occur with the presence of BOTH nolva/clomid, and will inevitably resolve the issue of excess estrogen in the Hypothalamus. This will trigger both LH and FSH to crank UP, as the high estrogen in this cluster is suppressive. This entire scenario is not as effective with only one drug.

Furthermore varying the compounds; Since we know both stimulate LH, what most don't know is that the act is different. clomid boosts the amplitude of LH serum, but has no effect on the frequency. Nolvadex is the complete opposite in that area, where it boosts the actual frequency of LH and has no effect on its amplitude.

You're probably assuming they're identical and overpowering... clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Nolva is also mixed, however.... it is a pure antagonist in the E receptor in breast tissue. There is a reason that clomid is not recommended for gynecomastia reversal, but Nolva is.

Can you recover with just Nolvadex, or just clomid? Well, anything is possible. But why would you take that risk if the combination gives you a much better chance? To save a few bucks and risk your health? clomid when coupled with Nolvadex is clearly the safer choice over using either compound individually.

There's NEVER a good reason to spew random information and flood the boards with random statements. You also JUST started a thread asking about running multiple compounds. Does your random rule not apply to you? Not trying to beat you up here, Zero, but let's be logical, at least.

What kind of dosing would you be looking at when taking the two for a PCT for a 12 week cycle of test E at 500mg a week?

[MajorT]

so now I got a couple of questions if you have the time...

so run them both throughout the cycle is what you're saying? (sorry if i misread just want to be sure though)
if yes, how much would you advise of each? (just to keep it simple say the cycle is the same or just basic)

Thanks! starting one myself and really want to get this stuff correct. Appreciate it

[NACH3]

Hello... Just edited a very old post as the question was pretty basic... Lol

[Back In Black]

Start a new thread in the pct section please. No need to jump onto old threads.

[PrimoCyp25]

Awsome info here from you, as always