3rd Cycle - Test, tren, winny, Clen, T3, Var.

**Coolguy** · 09-22-2013, 07:44 AM

I would like advice about what I can take off the cycle or how I should modify this cycle.

Stats -
24 y.o, male, weight 175 pounds

Actually I was 15% about 4 months ago but left working out due to work, personal responsibilities and a big project onsite and now I am 19% bf.
Btw -
Jan 2012 - 66 kg, 25% bf (i.e. 49.5 kg lean mass)
Present - 79 kg, 19% bf (i.e. 64 kg lean mass)
So gained 14.5 kg muscle.
But losing fat has always been a problem.

My previous cycles were -
Fist cycle - Test + equi
Second cycle - Test + winny

I plan to run this new cycle with following dosage -

Test Ethanate- 250 mg/week (12 weeks)
Tren Ethanate - 500 mg/week (12 weeks)
Winny - 50 mg/day (10 weeks)
Clen - 100 mcg/day (2 week on, 2 week off for 12 weeks)
T3 - 50 mcg/day (12 weeks)
Anavar - 80 mg/day (12 weeks)

PCT I have HCG . I have Letrozole , Nolvadex , Arimidex in big quantity. I will Arimidex 1 mg throughout the cycle and Letro when necessary.

I have 1000 iu hgh and 20 grams of DNP too but I don't think I need to add it at all to this cycle. In fact I was thinking above cycle itself is overkill. DNP always makes me lose muscle which I don't like.

Now many of you would suggest that I should go to 12% bf naturally and only then think about aas, but I have never managed to to below 15%. My diet is much better this time (Chicken, veggies and sweet potato).

I Don't want any more lean mass. I already have about 64 kg of that and I am 5'5" so it is very close to my genetic limit.

I was thinking may be I should do - Test, Tren, Winny, Var and T3 cycle and drop Clen altogether.

Advice appreciated. Criticism would be great as well

Not a noob in compounds. Major in biochemistry and can explain mechanism of action, sides, in detail so know what I am dealing with :-)
My maintenance is 2800 and I plan to keep diet at 1800 to 2000 range.

Goal for 12 week cycle - Bring bodyfat from 19% to 9%.

**austinite** · 09-22-2013, 07:49 AM

Cutting through the chase, your stats are not appropriate for cycling. 19% BF is not a safe cycling stage. Need to bring that down considerably before cycling anything.

Best of luck to you.

**Coolguy** · 09-22-2013, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Cutting through the chase, your stats are not appropriate for cycling. 19% BF is not a safe cycling stage. Need to bring that down considerably before cycling anything.
Best of luck to you.

Ok great. Thanks. What should be BF to bring in these compounds?
This looks better? -

Nothing till I reach to 15%
Test, Tren , Clen , T3 at 15%
Winny and Var at 12% bf.

**Euroholic** · 09-22-2013, 08:48 AM

So many coumpounds!!!!! You wont notice winny and var till your at low bf. you should not take two orals for 10-12 weeks you will kill your liver.

Just take the tren and test with hcg and 0.25mg of arimidex eod and adjusit if you feel you need to. You also need caber/prami to manage prolactin

**austinite** · 09-22-2013, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Coolguy

Ok great. Thanks. What should be BF to bring in these compounds?
This looks better? -

Nothing till I reach to 15%
Test, Tren , Clen , T3 at 15%
Winny and Var at 12% bf.

Yeah, that's about right.

**redz** · 09-22-2013, 09:43 AM

More compounds is not always better. Sounds like you are trying to over compensate. Get your diet and training in order that is where the real results come from.

**Bert** · 09-22-2013, 10:12 AM

Keep it simple man.

**Coolguy** · 09-22-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

So many coumpounds!!!!! You wont notice winny and var till your at low bf. you should not take two orals for 10-12 weeks you will kill your liver.

Alright, as suggested by Austinite, I won't add var or winny until 12% bf.
At that point Winstrol for 8 weeks and anavar for 10 weeks. That looks good?

Originally Posted by Euroholic

Just take the tren and test with hcg and 0.25mg of arimidex eod and adjusit if you feel you need to. You also need caber/prami to manage prolactin

Noted. Thanks.

**Spawned** · 09-22-2013, 12:36 PM

Also noted on the BF% and cycling. thanks.

**crazy mike** · 09-22-2013, 01:08 PM

OP all I will add because everyone covered the important. But you don't use Winstrol all thru 1-10 weeks. It is a finishing compound and the Tren will take care of hardness and leanness with diet. Use Winstrol the last 4 weeks, or not at all if you continue the Tren to the end. This for myself would be week 1-8 Tren and then plug in Winstrol at 8-12 wks. Also IMOP no need for Var in this cycle. THat's what I have done and it was great ! ...crazy mike