what do you guys do when you have to pin large amounts of fluid frequently

**snukers** · 10-23-2013, 04:30 PM

Lately I've been using prop and have to pin 2.5-3 ml eod. Since I believe only your glutes and quads can hold that much fluid at once I've been switching between legs eod but now there so sore I can tell its not good so what would you recommend ? I was thinking maybe every third shot I found divide into two pins and do both my delts to give my legs a lil rest

**Bio-Active** · 10-23-2013, 04:58 PM

Why are you pinning that much volume?

**bass** · 10-23-2013, 05:02 PM

what the fvck, eod?! that's more than one 10ml vial ew! and you're 20 years old! holy crap!

**kronz** · 10-23-2013, 05:18 PM

Please say you mean 250mg-300mg

**Capebuffalo** · 10-23-2013, 05:34 PM

The prop is 25 mg/ml. That's the underage dosage.

You are 20. Stop now. Stop. Listen ....Stop.

**snukers** · 10-23-2013, 05:35 PM

I meant mls but its dosed at 100 mg per ml so I usually do 250 mg eod plus I'm assuming its a little under dosed. Not great stuff to choose from where I'm at

**>Good Luck<** · 10-23-2013, 05:40 PM

That's a crazy amount of oil. I would never inject that much. Why not just do 1ml ed instead and rotate delts, quads and glutes. That is if you choose to continue which you shouldn't bur most likely will....good luck

**Capebuffalo** · 10-23-2013, 05:40 PM

So about a gram a week at 20 yrs old. Sounds about right.

How did you figure this was the best dose for a 20 yr old?

**Capebuffalo** · 10-23-2013, 05:43 PM

Height and weight please.

**snukers** · 10-23-2013, 05:49 PM

I did a cycle of 500 mg a week and it was great so when it came to my second one after a few weeks of not much happening with that dose I felt it was most likely underdosed and upped it so its about 750 mg a week and I know it sounds like a lot but still feels like 500 . And I appreciate that you guys look out for everyone but I already made my decision and only one person gave me a usefull answer . But thinking about it. Dropping my dose kinda solves two problems anyway so thanks

**snukers** · 10-23-2013, 05:50 PM

And for your last post I'm about 6 foot 220 pounds 15% bf. Top four abs visible

**>Good Luck<** · 10-23-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

So about a gram a week at 20 yrs old. Sounds about right.

How did you figure this was the best dose for a 20 yr old?

Well here's my rational. The question was how to handle larger amounts of injectable. The answer is simply less per injection, higher frequency injections and a better rotation of sites. If we continually tell people "to young so no advice aside from no drugs" we really aren't helping those who make these bad decisions to reduce the potential damage they are going to encounter. Also, we will drive the membership rate down by refusing to help people based on age alone. Good advice was given, by you, to stop using. But if he doesn't listen, my advice will help him to not get hurt

**Capebuffalo** · 10-23-2013, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

Well here's my rational. The question was how to handle larger amounts of injectable. The answer is simply less per injection, higher frequency injections and a better rotation of sites. If we continually tell people "to young so no advice aside from no drugs" we really aren't helping those who make these bad decisions to reduce the potential damage they are going to encounter. Also, we will drive the membership rate down by refusing to help people based on age alone. Good advice was given, by you, to stop using. But if he doesn't listen, my advice will help him to not get hurt

Differing opinions but fair enough.

**snukers** · 10-23-2013, 05:55 PM

My point exactly and thank you very much

**MuscleInk** · 10-23-2013, 06:11 PM

Sorry, but helping someone do something stupid doesn't make it right. It's good there are people who will advise but at 20 he doesn't know any better - he just thinks he does.

**>Good Luck<** · 10-23-2013, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Sorry, but helping someone do something stupid doesn't make it right. It's good there are people who will advise but at 20 he doesn't know any better - he just thinks he does.

I agree, its just a different level of damage control and not my intention of hurting anyone. But in all do respect, if I told you not to do something you were already doing, wjat are thw chances you're gonna stop?

**redz** · 10-23-2013, 07:00 PM

This is a recipe for TRT.

**MuscleInk** · 10-23-2013, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

I agree, its just a different level of damage control and not my intention of hurting anyone. But in all do respect, if I told you not to do something you were already doing, wjat are thw chances you're gonna stop?

I hear ya, which is why I said its good there are guys here willing to help. I just don't believe in encouraging someone to do something I believe is a possible health risk.

If someone told me they wanted to commit suicide and asked if I could suggest the best method because they were going to do it anyway, I do not feel obligated to assist them, quite the contrary, I'd try to "talk them off the ledge" so to speak. Now, clearly we aren't talking suicide here and my example is extreme, however, I still believe that if someone is planning something that is harmful to themselves, my moral compass suggests I try to help them NOT commit those actions. Some of these guys CAN be reached and reasoned with (albeit far and few) but if we simply say, "ah hell, if you're gonna do it anyway, I'll help you", to every young guy, I believe we are committing a disservice to them.

I don't disagree. We call all be stubborn, naive, and set in our decisions. There's another thread on here where numerous members have advised an individual to drop EQ from his planned cycle and yet he continues to discuss his cycle with it. Quite aggravating when someone asks for input and is simply waiting our time because he/she has stubbornly decided to do something. Why bother asking?

I'm not condemning you for offering assistance to the OP, but for me personally, I simply wont enable a decision I feel is not in his health interest. Even the best planned cycle can lead to trouble as we have seen on threads from younger guys pleading for help to feel normal again even when the cycle was properly designed.

**bass** · 10-23-2013, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

Well here's my rational. The question was how to handle larger amounts of injectable. The answer is simply less per injection, higher frequency injections and a better rotation of sites. If we continually tell people "to young so no advice aside from no drugs" we really aren't helping those who make these bad decisions to reduce the potential damage they are going to encounter. Also, we will drive the membership rate down by refusing to help people based on age alone. Good advice was given, by you, to stop using. But if he doesn't listen, my advice will help him to not get hurt

because at this stage there might be a chance for him to reverse the damage, helping him go forward will most likely kill any chance left. we can try, but if he decides to go forward then this thread may come useful for him sooner or later,

Finding a TRT Physician

**cj111** · 10-23-2013, 09:18 PM

You're all over reacting, he has 4 visible abs and this is standard protocol for those stats

**MuscleInk** · 10-23-2013, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by cj111

You're all over reacting, he has 4 visible abs and this is standard protocol for those stats

Thanks for setting us straight doc.

**>Good Luck<** · 10-23-2013, 10:29 PM

As much as I agree with every point made by each member, I fail to see the question where the op asked for advice on tailoring a cycle. The op asked how to inject high volume and avoid overusing the injection site....I fail to see where anyone asked for ctitique of a cycle or even if the compounds being used were acceptable. For all we know, this guy could very well be competing in bbing as a career and not a recreational drug user as it seems he's been deemed.

I mean no disrespect to any member or reader, but disregarding peoples inquiry and deflecting their intentions in the direction you want isn't alway productive. Sometimes you need to build a repore with someone before you can have credibility. I doubt anyone likes being told what to do by strangers, especially if they come off as an a-hole belittling you and making you feel insignificant. Hopefully I can be one that builds relationships and answers questions to gain trust of those who I claim I want to help.

In this scenario, the op first needs to hear that injecting that much is not a good idea and needs to be rotated in such a way that won't cause excess pain and tissue damage. Any amount of reductio ad abserdium or extreme comparisons won't change the fact that whoever is injecting high volume needs to rotate injection sites and advising someone on how to do so shouldn't deflect youe moral compass. Seperately, embark on the journey of trting to educate the youth of severe health risks so as not to push away the reader. We can't help anyone who doesn't come back

**Metalject** · 10-23-2013, 11:09 PM

I've stuck 3ml in my shoulders and glutes more times than I can remember. Never had an issue with it. Do the injected areas get sore after awhile? Sure, if you're injecting daily or even eod all of them are going to get sore after awhile. Glutes and shoulders have always been my favorite spots. If I do get too sore in those areas, pecs follow next and then Triceps. Pecs, I know I've done 2ml in the pecs many times, I don't recall 3ml but I really can't remember. Tri's, usually no more than 1ml.

If you're really hurting, I mean really hurting, and there's a big difference in sore and hurting, I'd question the product.