Reaching the top without using any steroids

[devil-1986]

can i reach the top without using of any steroids and only using diet,supplements,cardio ,etc and get same results as steroids users in a Longer periods of time ?

[tarmyg]

Could you narrow down “top” for me a bit?

Thanks
~T

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[marcus300]

can i reach the top without using of any steroids and only using diet,supplements,cardio ,etc and get same results as steroids users in a Longer periods of time ?

IMHO no, the steroid user will always top a true natural

[Oki-Des]

Considering the top pros use AS for many years and not just once, working out naturally for a long period of time is not going to enable you to catch or surpass them simply because you plan on doing it for a long time. But, genetics also plays a role, so if you have a great bod due to your family genes, you will certainly be able to surpass people who do not have good genetics, have a crappy diet and poor exercise regime; even if they dabble in AS. But, if you are looking at the top pro's and wish to someday beat them without any help, I would have to say it would be impossible.

[AlphaMike]

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, experienced AAS user beats experienced natural lifter any time

[devil-1986]

Could you narrow down “top” for me a bit?

Thanks
~T

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thanks bro that very usefull

[lovbyts]

Steroids when used properly allow a user to go beyond their natural genetic limit. You need to be very educated in regards to different substances, how they will effect you in regards to sides and health risks as well as preventative measures to take and most importantly, Diet must be spot on as well training routine and being near your natural limit.

[devil-1986]

i know with steroids can reach the goals more easly in a short priod of time and not reach top like pros , but can i reach this complete body shape in a long time not like pros but as a complete body ?

[austinite]

It depends on what "Top" you're looking for.

[devil-1986]

It depends on what "Top" you're looking for.

perfect and complete muscles in a shape and size

[austinite]

perfect and complete muscles in a shape and size

That doesn't say anything my friend. You have to understand that you're talking to 100 different personalities and preferences. To some, 175 lbs at 12 percent is perfect. Maybe post your stats and then your goal, so that folks can have an idea of what you're looking to accomplish.

[songdog]

Hell I been at the top for years.And believe me it gets loney.I sure could use some company LOL

[Oki-Des]

A buddy of mine was at my house last year. He is about 5'10", weights about 240lbs and has around 45% body fat in my opinion. Yes, I meant 45% body fat and not 4-5% body fat. He was talking about his athletic ability and referred to his body type as a track athlete. I dont think this guy could walk once around a track without his heart exploding, but in his mind he is at the top. So yes, YOU definately might be able to make it to the top without the use of AS. Just dont enter a pro body building contest and expect others feel the same way. In a way I think he is lucky as he will never have to even work out to beleive he is awesome and definately at the top. Sorry, I just remembered that story and it made me laugh again and I wanted to share.

[bass]

thanks bro that very usefull

its a legitimate question! that's why Austinite asked again twice? there are many "TOP" goals, Mr. Olympia TOP, Model TOP, Physique TOP, Natural TOP, Strength TOP, and the list goes on....

[jdpeters]

If you were genetically gifted you could beat the genetically challenged that use aas...

[bass]

If you were genetically gifted you could beat the genetically challenged that use aas...

show me an example!

[jdpeters]

It's all over in the pro cycling world... (thats bicycling) Dave Zabriski, Marcel Kitel, Tom Bonin...

Since he hasn't specified "top" of anything yet...

[bass]

ahhh, I thought you were talking BB!

[jdpeters]

No, just feeling extra genetically challenged today... :-)

[Ibasmusi]

I wonder how many people who post info on these forums actually compete in BB.

[OnTheSauce]

I wonder how many people who post info on these forums actually compete in BB.

I compete in powerlifting and will do a bb show this summer if this winter bulk goes as planned.

[Money Talks]

can i reach the top without using of any steroids and only using diet,supplements,cardio ,etc and get same results as steroids users in a Longer periods of time ?

Well, if you use hgh, insulin , sarms , peptides, and every other non steroidal performance enhancing drug, you will be much better than a true natural.

[devil-1986]

That doesn't say anything my friend. You have to understand that you're talking to 100 different personalities and preferences. To some, 175 lbs at 12 percent is perfect. Maybe post your stats and then your goal, so that folks can have an idea of what you're looking to accomplish.

my stats is :5'8"
165 lbs
13 % body fat at this weight i have good size in muscles tissue but not enough for me
my goal is reach above 200 lbs at 15-18 % body fat then swich again for cutting
tell me and help me what is the best for me to do ?

[devil-1986]

A buddy of mine was at my house last year. He is about 5'10", weights about 240lbs and has around 45% body fat in my opinion. Yes, I meant 45% body fat and not 4-5% body fat. He was talking about his athletic ability and referred to his body type as a track athlete. I dont think this guy could walk once around a track without his heart exploding, but in his mind he is at the top. So yes, YOU definately might be able to make it to the top without the use of AS. Just dont enter a pro body building contest and expect others feel the same way. In a way I think he is lucky as he will never have to even work out to beleive he is awesome and definately at the top. Sorry, I just remembered that story and it made me laugh again and I wanted to share.

thats not so funny ... if you are to be his best and true friend then you should help him to reach his goal not come here and tell us about his body fat and his height and do laugh at , This is not good to mock the people ..for the First time Every body not born in shape and size go back and look at your Three years ago pictures and then laugh at .... if he is my friend I was proud to help him

we came here to help each other to be the best not mock each other if anybody come here for mock then im tell him to go to circus because there is good place for him

[Ctits23]

he he i used to believe in santa claus and the easter bunny too but then reality sets in. reality is setting in now

[DAAS]

Started from the bottom took some gear, started from the bottom took some gear. Started from the bottom now my whole teams on gear. REEEMIIIXXXX

[skindiesel]

From what I've seen and read for ten years of lifting and mma any top athlete on gear is at a advantage over a top athlete not on gear.