Tren A: Difficult to reach the big O!

**Indymuscleguy** · 11-18-2013, 03:06 PM

Group:

47yo
5'9" 190lbs
Average cycles per year = 3
Current body fat (measured via calipers) 12.2%

Currently on week 8 of:
75mg Tren A EOD
200mg Test Cyp Twice per week

I am VERY HAPPY WITH my TREN results so far!

I don't have a history of Gyno...never ever had a problem.

Libido is great...but climaxing is VERY hard to do if at all lately.

My thoughts: Since I am having an issue with reaching the Big O and DO NOT have puffy nips or sore nips, that it must be my E2. I am ordering A-Dex from Ar-r and plan to run it 0.25mg/2 or 3x's per week. Starting at twice per week and if no change up it to three times per week.

Is Bromo/Caber/Prami only added if I am experiencing puffy nips and possible nipple drainage or is a MUST that I run Prami (for example) combined with the E2?

(Don't flame on me to badly :-))

**tectime** · 11-18-2013, 03:29 PM

Running 400 mgs of tes a wk you should have an ai. A dex , anastrozole, something. Estrogen is gonna be high from the tes not the tren . If prolactin sides start to show ( with estrogen way out of whack it's just a matter of time) then you will need bromo or caber.

**Indymuscleguy** · 11-18-2013, 05:34 PM

Thanks. I'm going to start with .25mg twice per week for 2 weeks...then up it to 3xs if no result. Again...no puffy/sore nips. Erections are 7 out of a 10 in hardness, it's the inability to obtain the big O!

**Cuz** · 11-18-2013, 05:44 PM

Damnit. thread after thread after thread of people having ED problems after nandrolone /tren use.....sucks.

OP let us know how you fix this.

But you have to be running anastrozole like stated. at least .25 starting dose eod.

**MuscleInk** · 11-18-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

Damnit. thread after thread after thread of people having ED problems after nandrolone /tren use.....sucks.

OP let us know how you fix this.

But you have to be running anastrozole like stated. at least .25 starting dose eod.

If they cycled properly and managed E2 as they should (instead of worrying about their saggy tits!!!) this wouldn't be an issue.

**P0RK CH0P** · 11-18-2013, 06:11 PM

No HCG either?

**OnTheSauce** · 11-18-2013, 06:21 PM

Prolactin is elevated from estrogen not being controlled. You'll need to fix both

**Cuz** · 11-18-2013, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

If they cycled properly and managed E2 as they should (instead of worrying about their saggy tits!!!) this wouldn't be an issue.

Correct. There should be E2 management regardless of a "gyno history" or not. Right?

Lets say OP cycles and just lets his E2 run free... I have heard guys says down the road it caused them irreversible ED? Is this true? Or can it be fixed? I'm ignorant.

**MuscleInk** · 11-18-2013, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

Correct. There should be E2 management regardless of a "gyno history" or not. Right?

Lets say OP cycles and just lets his E2 run free... I have heard guys says down the road it caused them irreversible ED? Is this true? Or can it be fixed? I'm ignorant.

ED can be complex, involving a number of factors (hormones, anabolic use, age, circulatory issues such as PAD, psychosocial, etc.).

E2 management should be a standard part of cycling. Unless blood work is being conducted at regular, routine schedules, one cannot depend on observable signs or symptoms of elevated E2 to decide when to treat such conditions.

ED can be permanent in many cases but managed well with PDE5 inhibitors.

**Cuz** · 11-18-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

ED can be complex, involving a number of factors (hormones, anabolic use, age, circulatory issues such as PAD, psychosocial, etc.).

E2 management should be a standard part of cycling. Unless blood work is being conducted at regular, routine schedules, one cannot depend on observable signs or symptoms of elevated E2 to decide when to treat such conditions.

ED can be permanent in many cases but managed well with PDE5 inhibitors.

Thanks MI for answering. Looks like several things can affect it. Hopefully OP can manage his E2.

**MuscleInk** · 11-18-2013, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

Thanks MI for answering. Looks like several things can affect it. Hopefully OP can manage his E2.

Yes, and when a man comes to one of our clinics with complaints of ED, we conduct blood work, a PE, and Hx when developing a treatment plan. Blood work (obviously) tells us if secondary treatment (e.g. TRT) may be necessary to treat an underlying or contributing factor.

Low test, aging, and cardiovascular factors are better predictors of ED.

In OPs case, bringing his E2 back in line should resolve the problem buts its no guarantee the problem won't recur post cycle.

**Lunk1** · 11-18-2013, 07:35 PM

Tren is noted for causing Anorgasmia. Frankly I think it's an added benefit

**OnTheSauce** · 11-18-2013, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Tren is noted for causing Anorgasmia. Frankly I think it's an added benefit

Unless you have no cardio and can't go long enough to get off lol

**jimmyinkedup** · 11-18-2013, 09:38 PM

Start Dex AND Prami ....asap.....

**SkinnyManJuice** · 11-18-2013, 09:41 PM

good luck

**Indymuscleguy** · 11-19-2013, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Start Dex AND Prami ....asap.....

Understood. Thanks everyone

**Indymuscleguy** · 11-19-2013, 09:23 AM

Another question...I see the Prami dose is 0.25mg ED for 5 days, then 0.5mg ED. How long do I follow this protocol? Is it for the life of the cycle? My plan is to do the following:

Prami 0.25mg ED for 5 days then up to 0.5mg ED for the life of the cycle
A-Dex 0.25mg EOD for the life of the cycle
HCG 250iu 2x's week for the life of the cycle

Thoughts or suggestions?

**Indymuscleguy** · 11-19-2013, 10:10 AM

Bump

**jimmyinkedup** · 11-19-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Indymuscleguy

Another question...I see the Prami dose is 0.25mg ED for 5 days, then 0.5mg ED. How long do I follow this protocol? Is it for the life of the cycle? My plan is to do the following:

Prami 0.25mg ED for 5 days then up to 0.5mg ED for the life of the cycle
A-Dex 0.25mg EOD for the life of the cycle
HCG 250iu 2x's week for the life of the cycle

Thoughts or suggestions?

Looks good. I run the prami at .25 a bit longer..like 7 dsyss. Take at night , before bed, with some food in stomach.

**Indymuscleguy** · 11-19-2013, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Looks good. I run the prami at .25 a bit longer..like 7 dsyss. Take at night , before bed, with some food in stomach.

Thanks for the advice bro. So you agree with the timeframe, i.e., running these products for the life of the cycle?

**Indymuscleguy** · 11-19-2013, 09:50 PM

bump for last question

**Indymuscleguy** · 12-10-2013, 10:15 AM

Well guys I have been taking Prami /adedx/ and HCG dosed as posted by jimmyinkedup but have had no luck. Still having the same issue NO ORGASMS! Thoughts? Do you think my E2 is riding higher because of the HCG and I should up the adex?

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-10-2013, 11:04 AM

May be time for bloodwork otherwise you could end up chasing your tail here. If you up ai and crush e2 thats a whole other can of worms. Sorry things havent helped but id say without bloodwork no more changes. In my experience prami has helped this specific issue...i think thats all the advice i can give bro.

**PistolPete33** · 12-10-2013, 11:14 AM

I'm on a similar cycle with 600mg/week Test C and 75mg/EOD of Tren A and not having any issues at all. However, I'm taking Anastrozole to controle E2 and Prami to control Prolactin. Feeling awesome....

**kelkel** · 12-10-2013, 11:20 AM

Like Jimmy said, time for blood work. Your numbers may actually be ok but sometimes it's just tough to get the "issue" our of your head.

**Lunk1** · 12-10-2013, 11:21 AM

I'm telling you. Anorgasmia is simply a side that effects some (including me) while on tren .

**aviator850** · 12-10-2013, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Tren is noted for causing Anorgasmia. Frankly I think it's an added benefit

Lol, I know right. I was thinking when I read the post, and your problem iss?????

**Indymuscleguy** · 12-11-2013, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I'm telling you. Anorgasmia is simply a side that effects some (including me) while on tren.

Ugh...it's like brushing my teeth...it's something I have to do every day!

**kelkel** · 12-11-2013, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Indymuscleguy

Ugh...it's like brushing my teeth...it's something I have to do every day!

Hopefully not at the same time....

**blacktoppete** · 12-11-2013, 05:16 PM

A lot of guys say I have a Ai and some Caber on hand if needed. When its needed its too late limp noodle ect.ect. If you have your Ai take it from the start. If your running Deca or tren take your Caber from the start. Order everything ahead of time and use it wisely.

**donopat** · 12-11-2013, 07:33 PM

prami... start at .20ml day and work slowly up to .50ml

**Indymuscleguy** · 12-13-2013, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by donopat

prami... start at .20ml day and work slowly up to .50ml

I'm at .5ml now and the sides are almost unbearable. Sleepy, foggy, and nauseated!

**killer41qc** · 12-13-2013, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Indymuscleguy

I'm at .5ml now and the sides are almost unbearable. Sleepy, foggy, and nauseated!

take it before bed or 2hours before ( i wake up 2 hours after i take it if taken before bed)

**Lunk1** · 12-13-2013, 10:06 AM

I swear some guys never listen. NOTHING will likely help. It's a side effect of the particular hormone that effects some! Find a partner and she will think your a king!

**Indymuscleguy** · 12-13-2013, 10:11 AM

I hear you bro. With the discussions and posts, Prami and Caber were mentioned to keep prolactin levels in check. I thought perhaps, that was my problem.

**bikeral** · 12-13-2013, 10:20 AM

Had the same issue my first run on Tren . Thought all would be good if I kept E2 in check. Like these guys are all saying must keep E2 and prolactin in check.

I take aromasin and Prami every day while using Tren. All good since then. Would never run it any other way.

**Indymuscleguy** · 12-13-2013, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by bikeral

Had the same issue my first run on Tren . Thought all would be good if I kept E2 in check. Like these guys are all saying must keep E2 and prolactin in check.

I take aromasin and Prami every day while using Tren. All good since then. Would never run it any other way.

Good to hear, although, I thought and AI was needed, so I'm running Adex at 0.25mg twice per week. Hmm

**bikeral** · 12-13-2013, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Indymuscleguy

Good to hear, although, I thought and AI was needed, so I'm running Adex at 0.25mg twice per week. Hmm

AI is needed. You need both.

**Art Vandelay** · 12-15-2013, 06:30 AM

It gets fixed by educating yourself and cycling it correctly, not playing damage control after the fact.

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

Damnit. thread after thread after thread of people having ED problems after nandrolone /tren use.....sucks.

OP let us know how you fix this.

But you have to be running anastrozole like stated. at least .25 starting dose eod.

**Art Vandelay** · 12-15-2013, 06:39 AM

Your post count indicates youve been here a while... so most likely youre aware that there's a wealth of knowledge here that people have taken their very valuable time to provide for us...so I'm not understanding why you hadn't been running an AI and hcg from the beginning... I mean really. That's standard advice that's plastered everywhere on the sight.

You stating that you do 3 cycles a year on avg worries me.

Please get educated.

Originally Posted by Indymuscleguy

Group:

47yo
5'9" 190lbs
Average cycles per year = 3
Current body fat (measured via calipers) 12.2%

Currently on week 8 of:
75mg Tren A EOD
200mg Test Cyp Twice per week

I am VERY HAPPY WITH my TREN results so far!

I don't have a history of Gyno...never ever had a problem.

Libido is great...but climaxing is VERY hard to do if at all lately.

My thoughts: Since I am having an issue with reaching the Big O and DO NOT have puffy nips or sore nips, that it must be my E2. I am ordering A-Dex from Ar-r and plan to run it 0.25mg/2 or 3x's per week. Starting at twice per week and if no change up it to three times per week.

Is Bromo/Caber/Prami only added if I am experiencing puffy nips and possible nipple drainage or is a MUST that I run Prami (for example) combined with the E2?

(Don't flame on me to badly :-))