CALL FOR HELP!!!! WINNY -- 1st time user, pics attached

[dukeofyork]

Hi,

I'm 29, 6'2, 192. Have been working out off and on (mostly on) for about 6 years. In the past year, I've been focusing on getting my diet together with a ton more protein, which has helped a lot in both some muscle growth and slimming down fat.

I would like to do a round of winny. I'm not looking to gain a ton of mass, just look more cut. Besides lifting, I run, swim, and do a lot of kettlebell/body weight type classes. But I've never been able to push through to see the muscle definition that I want. (I also grew up a chubby kid from a chubby family--so always the feeling its just "in my DNA.")

I also am using HMB, ZMA, and Branched chain Amino Acids supplements.

What is a good dosage for a first round of winny? What else should I be taking? Oral or inject? There is so much info on this website, and also contradicting suggestions.. wanted to start my own thread for me and my specifics. I know a lot of you might not think the gain of winny to be worth using, but I want to use it to maintain my muscle and cut. Appreciate any help or guidance, thank you!

[DontTaseMeBro]

Welcome. The comments you will likely get are that you need to do some research. This is a great place for it. Within a few hours you will see that the vast majority recommend testosterone alone for a first cycle. Also, ancillaries and PCT are a must. The diet forum is incredibly informative, too. stick around and do some reading. The vets here are really helpful.

[bass]

welcome!


My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

and

Explanation of HPTA / Endocrine System & How Steroids Affect You

[Lunk1]

Nice base you have started. Stick around and make sure you know everything you need to know, inside and out before even considering AAS

[dukeofyork]

Hey guys, thanks for the welcome and replies. Definitely still have a lot to read, but I'm not really looking to get into aas that will make me much bigger, which sounds like testosterone . So, thats why I was looking at winny. When I was about 24, I did 10 day cycle by itself, which I understand is basically nothing. But my body started responding to it in a very positive way, yet I didn't have my supply in order and ran out.

I will do some more reading, but please let me know if you have any suggestions for this purpose. Just to lean, and keep the mass I have, add a little definition. Thats the goal!

Thank you again.

[bass]

winny is hard on the body, why not try something like this?

Austinite's Fat Loss Protocol using Over the Counter Products.

[redz]

Using winny alone makes no sense.

[Lunk1]

Winny is AAS! No matter what compounds you use, how much you gain or how much you "cut" is controlled by your diet and routine.

[DontTaseMeBro]

Its all in the diet, bro - as much as i hate it. Read the stickies and come up with an explicit goal (i.e. - "I am at 13% body fat and want to get down to 11% in 120 days while maintaining my current weight - My TDEE is X cal") and post that it in the diet section. You will get lots of help. Testosterone is pretty much the base of any cycle. Winstrol alone (just like Dbol , Tren , Decca or anything else alone) is almost never recommended and pretty unhealthy. Its the kind of thing us old guys did 20 years ago before we knew any better and paid the price for it without making any maintainable gain.

[adrenaline99]

Test....u can use it for whatever your goals are. It does everything. Winny is more of a short term contest prep thing to look dry. In my opinion get shredded with test and perhaps t3. Then if u want the super dry look run winny for a few weeks at the end.

[aviator850]

Hi,

I'm 29, 6'2, 192. Have been working out off and on (mostly on) for about 6 years. In the past year, I've been focusing on getting my diet together with a ton more protein, which has helped a lot in both some muscle growth and slimming down fat.

I would like to do a round of winny. I'm not looking to gain a ton of mass, just look more cut. Besides lifting, I run, swim, and do a lot of kettlebell/body weight type classes. But I've never been able to push through to see the muscle definition that I want. (I also grew up a chubby kid from a chubby family--so always the feeling its just "in my DNA.")

I also am using HMB, ZMA, and Branched chain Amino Acids supplements.

What is a good dosage for a first round of winny? What else should I be taking? Oral or inject? There is so much info on this website, and also contradicting suggestions.. wanted to start my own thread for me and my specifics. I know a lot of you might not think the gain of winny to be worth using, but I want to use it to maintain my muscle and cut. Appreciate any help or guidance, thank you!

You always want to add test to your cycle IMO. Some guys will say do test prop rather than a longer ester base of test (Cyp or Enth). Some will tell you test is test. Really to me it just depends on how fast you want it to kick in. I'm getting ready to cycle test prop 600mg per week, masteron prop 600mg a week and add winny the last 6 weeks at 100mg everyday. You can start at 50mg everyday, just to see how your body reacts. You have to find test though for sure. Winny is pointless without it IMO. The oral is rough on your liver compared to the injectable. It really doesn't matter though, both do their job. Do you want to inject or take a pill is question. I wouldn't say your completely wasting your time at 12% body fat, but a lot of people will disagree and say you have to be at single digits.. You look pretty cut, I think you'll you notice a difference for sure. All of these compounds really just give you a look, they won't burn any fat IMO. Diet is key to your body fat. You could do clen or DNP (very dangerous)..

[KAEW44]

Please research winstrol side effects, because this one substance is very harsh on your joints/ligaments and also your hairline.