If your serious about pro ranks

[cypher23]

Probably not a wise decision to try and become pro my friend. The chances are near to nothing as a pro bber. But I'm not gonna judge u do whatever you do. But just think at your age right now would endue trt after u are done competing. Think about itbif you don't make it...just a carreer ending injury or accident and then its boom hrt forever. You may also cause permanent hpta and endocrine problems that young. The question is "what if"?

True, you always gotta ask yourself. And I know it's hard. I see what these guys go through and even if you make it the sponsorships are hard. But that's what makes it so awesome is you gotta work! Nothing's handed to us. But if you have the fire in your belly and determination there's no telling what someone can do. But let's all be honest if I wanted to take that route I will need gear...there's no question about it. It's hard for me to put it on hold when I could be making substantial gains with it from here on out. I definitely see what you guys are saying tho

[cypher23]

Probably not a wise decision to try and become pro my friend. The chances are near to nothing as a pro bber. But I'm not gonna judge u do whatever you do. But just think at your age right now would endue trt after u are done competing. Think about itbif you don't make it...just a carreer ending injury or accident and then its boom hrt forever. You may also cause permanent hpta and endocrine problems that young. The question is "what if"?

There isn't such thing as a natural Ifbb

[Cuz]

There isn't such thing as a natural Ifbb

Tell me how that statement is related to my post. Did you quote me on accident??? I never said anything regarding "natural". That's true but I don't know why you would quote me on that

[cypher23]

Tell me how that statement is related to my post. Did you quote me on accident??? I never said anything regarding "natural". That's true but I don't know why you would quote me on that

Lol my bad

[ickythump]

Tell me how that statement is related to my post. Did you quote me on accident??? I never said anything regarding "natural". That's true but I don't know why you would quote me on that

Seems like that was an accident bud, easy! Lol

[Cuz]

Lol my bad

No worries. 1.5 g test makes me a little jumpy just overlook it

[BG]

Just keep doing pct for now,give your life some time to unfold and make sure dedicating your life to BB'ing is definitely for you. My training partner is 5'9" 270 and always comes off. He harder uses also, but has insane genetics. Lets see some full body pics, with out real good genetics, pro card will be hard to get.

[cypher23]

Just keep doing pct for now,give your life some time to unfold and make sure dedicating your life to BB'ing is definitely for you. My training partner is 5'9" 270 and always comes off. He harder uses also, but has insane genetics. Lets see some full body pics, with out real good genetics, pro card will be hard to get.

I can't help but to agree even tho I don't want to, and I thank you for the input. Only thing I can't stand is the whole genetic thing. Ya you need good genetics but people that work hard can surpass too.

[joebailey1271]

Hey man do not let anyone tell u cant make it, only one that has to believe it is you, they told T Holliday he would never even make it in college, now he plays in the NFL, you have to believe in yourself

[Machdiesel]

Jesus just put up a pic. I feel like I'm 15 again in a teen chat room. C'mon send a pic, ok now one with no shirt, your beutiful, now send one with no bra. 4 hours later I'm still sitting with my dick in my hand and no pic

[Bert]

Just because you didn't receive one doesn't mean I can't. Pathetic putting people down on here

I'm closer then you'll ever be. True story. Dude, seriously, chase your dreams if you want, but you truly have no clue.

[Lunk1]

I can't help but to agree even tho I don't want to, and I thank you for the input. Only thing I can't stand is the whole genetic thing. Ya you need good genetics but people that work hard can surpass too.

IMO the most incorrect statement you have made to date. All the hard work in the world will get you diddly squat without genetics. I have seen guys with incredible genetice gain 20lbs of muscle by looking at weights while others bust their asses to gain 5. No genetics..NO pro. That simple!

[cypher23]

[QUOTE="joebailey1271"]Hey man do not let anyone tell u cant make it, only one that has to believe it is you, they told T Holliday he would never even make it in college, now he plays in the NFL, you have to believe in yourself[/QUOTE



I totally agree bro. Some people have insecurities because there biological clock has already shut down. I'm only 22. And I have 38 year olds telling me I won't make it. Sorry your dreams didn't come true because you were out worked! I won't be...

[cypher23]

I'm closer then you'll ever be. True story. Dude, seriously, chase your dreams if you want, but you truly have no clue.

I wanna see some pics

[cypher23]

IMO the most incorrect statement you have made to date. All the hard work in the world will get you diddly squat without genetics. I have seen guys with incredible genetice gain 20lbs of muscle by looking at weights while others bust their asses to gain 5. No genetics..NO pro. That simple!

Have you ever seen some early pictures of Dorian yates...if you even know who that is. What's sad is a lot of people know about gear on here but they are conventional users and don't apply this to bodybuilders. He had ZERO size!!! Zero size! And he won me Olympia 6 times bro, after training his ass off for however many years

[cypher23]

IMO the most incorrect statement you have made to date. All the hard work in the world will get you diddly squat without genetics. I have seen guys with incredible genetice gain 20lbs of muscle by looking at weights while others bust their asses to gain 5. No genetics..NO pro. That simple!

[Bert]

I wanna see some pics

I have, look em up.

[cypher23]

I have, look em up.

Says no visible albums.

[Fllifter]

I come here for the pics. And now I'm not getting any???? Outrageous

[solsykness]

Where are the pics?!?!

[ickythump]

Is there a vagina in this thread or what are we talking about, my gf better put out tonight....where am i

[Lunk1]

Have you ever seen some early pictures of Dorian yates...if you even know who that is. What's sad is a lot of people know about gear on here but they are conventional users and don't apply this to bodybuilders. He had ZERO size!!! Zero size! And he won me Olympia 6 times bro, after training his ass off for however many years

Basing your theory on what someone looked like as a kid doesn't mean jack. The genetics were/are still there. Think about it this way. If everyone that busted their ass in college football went pro then there would be 75 teams in the league. The guys that make it are not the hardest workers, they are gifted....genetics. We are all limited by them. Hell I'm not saying you don't have the genetic capability of getting a pro card. I'm saying the percentage of ppl that do is extremely low.

They are the guys who's bodies respond to training better and they respond to AAS better.

[Euroholic]

When i was in the army there was one warrent officer who would be drinking and doing drugs all night consuming vast amounts and still flog everyone in PT the next morning. Gentics matter

[kelkel]

I wanna see some pics

No you don't cypher. Ashop is about 270 in contest condition and a national's competitor. No offense but you would not be noticed standing next to him. You're barking up the wrong tree again here and your attitude is showing, again.

[Cuz]

That young attitude you have won't get you anywhere here. Why ask for someone else's pic when the thread is about you?

[Euroholic]

No you don't cypher. Ashop is about 270 in contest condition and a national's competitor. No offense but you would not be noticed standing next to him. You're barking up the wrong tree again here and your attitude is showing, again.

His pic was posted in the lounge his a big lad

[cypher23]

No you don't cypher. Ashop is about 270 in contest condition and a national's competitor. No offense but you would not be noticed standing next to him. You're barking up the wrong tree again here and your attitude is showing, again.

I'm honestly done. It's a pissing war. Whoever gave me info thanks that's all I wanted. The rest, good luck in this world with the way you treat people lol

[cypher23]

I truly do appreciate all the help but when people start saying what people can and can't achieve is bull shit. You don't have a say in anyone's life.

[kelkel]

I truly do appreciate all the help but when people start saying what people can and can't achieve is bull shit. You don't have a say in anyone's life.

Guys here are just trying to give you perspective based on experience, of which you do not have yet due to your young age. Your goals are great and you should keep pushing toward them. It's also smart to be realistic. Don't put all your hopes in one basket. Very few people make a good living from body building alone and being a pro doesn't come with health benefits or a pension.

Get that first contest experience under your belt and evaluate from there.

[cypher23]

Guys here are just trying to give you perspective based on experience, of which you do not have yet due to your young age. Your goals are great and you should keep pushing toward them. It's also smart to be realistic. Don't put all your hopes in one basket. Very few people make a good living from body building alone and being a pro doesn't come with health benefits or a pension. Get that first contest experience under your belt and evaluate from there.

Right I get that. All I have to say is none of us know our genetic potential. So it's hard to say. Until we reach it. I just got the vibe that some people are trying to tell me I'll never be good enough. And that's what's wrong with America these days.

[kelkel]

Right I get that. All I have to say is none of us know our genetic potential. So it's hard to say. Until we reach it. I just got the vibe that some people are trying to tell me I'll never be good enough. And that's what's wrong with America these days.

Well said. Stick around cypher.

[cypher23]

Guys here are just trying to give you perspective based on experience, of which you do not have yet due to your young age. Your goals are great and you should keep pushing toward them. It's also smart to be realistic. Don't put all your hopes in one basket. Very few people make a good living from body building alone and being a pro doesn't come with health benefits or a pension. Get that first contest experience under your belt and evaluate from there.

Btw nice vascularity in your pic

[kelkel]

Btw nice vascularity in your pic

Ain't bad for an old guy. Quads are horrendous.

[gearbox]

Ain't bad for an old guy. Quads are horrendous.

Typical modest kel

Your a road map!

[ickythump]

Typical modest kel

Your a road map!

Always modest, that kel......i decided to look up the pick of ashop haha he's a big ol boy as well!!