My First cycle , need advise

[devil-1986]

Hi .i decided to start my first cycle on tomorrow and I want to get some critique on my upcoming cycle, so that you can make me aware if I am missing anything. Here are my stats:

I'm 28 years old male
5'10" tall
180 lbs
14% body fat

This is my first cycle .I've been training since I was 19. no injury yet. I've been consistently heavy training for 2 years now.
My goal is to add 10 lbs of muscle while keeping body fat at or under 16%.

Here is my cycle proposal:

Week 1 to 8: Test p @ 600 mg per week. (200 mg eod) on Saturday /Monday / Wednesday
Week 1 to 8: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total) one in Sunday another in Thursday at the same time that i take it each one
Week 1 to 8 +3 days: letro @ 0.36 mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts) on Sunday / Tuesday / Thursday in the mornings

pct :
3 days after last injection Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20 in mornings
and 2000 mg of L- Cystine daily

and blood work :
Pre-Cycle blood work: 2 weeks prior to cycle.
Mid-Cycle blood work: 5 weeks into an 8 week.
Post-Cycle blood work: 6 weeks after PCT.

im understand you want me to go with arimidex while on cycle and long esters such as test e or c but i could not find arimidex and long esters around , I have no choice
then i decide to go with letro and test p

[devil-1986]

Let me know what you think. Thanks.

[devil-1986]

my recent blood work tell me that my estradiol and test level are high at they're normal ranges should be at , because i use pro hormone , then my question is what was dosage of letro good for me while im on cycle ?
i think that 0.36 mg eod is a minimum dose of letro from splits one quarter of the 2.5 mg pill should i take because my blood levels . plz suggest me for best that should i do in my on and pct cycle

thanks a lot . ill waiting

[derekkpapa1]

cycle looks decent but with your stats you would seem to small why if you been training for years why are you only 180lbs @14% bf ? How's your diet? Post pic of yourself up here

[lucabratzi]

Looks good to me. I personally would run it 10 weeks.

Also just so you know 10lbs of muscle in 8 weeks is a tremendous amount. That's a very lofty goal but good luck and enjoy

[Euroholic]

The site sponsor sells arimidex for research purposes.

Drop the letro and use the lion

[Back In Black]

Cut your dosage to 150mg EOD you'll still get over 500mg per week. 200mg EOD = 700mg pw not 600.

Agree with the Letro being subbed for arimidex or aromasin .

Short ester is no issue you'll only do the same amount of pins as you would on a long ester just in a shorter time period. 7 weeks on prop works better for me but 8 weeks is good as a first time to see how you react.

Have your diet looked over in our nutrion forum. You need a plan for on cycle, PCT and post PCT if you want to gain and maintain.

Good luck.

[devil-1986]

cycle looks decent but with your stats you would seem to small why if you been training for years why are you only 180lbs @14% bf ? How's your diet? Post pic of yourself up here

i have been those years on the others such as wrestling , kick boxing , etc

[devil-1986]

Cut your dosage to 150mg EOD you'll still get over 500mg per week. 200mg EOD = 700mg pw not 600.

Agree with the Letro being subbed for arimidex or aromasin .

Short ester is no issue you'll only do the same amount of pins as you would on a long ester just in a shorter time period. 7 weeks on prop works better for me but 8 weeks is good as a first time to see how you react.

Have your diet looked over in our nutrion forum. You need a plan for on cycle, PCT and post PCT if you want to gain and maintain.

Good luck.

i have 48 test p 100 mg/ml and for eod pin and 8 week need 200 mg /eod because i think 100 mg/eod 300 mg weekly total for 8 week is much lower , what do you think ? is not 100 mg/eod 300 mg weekly much lower ?

[devil-1986]

The site sponsor sells arimidex for research purposes.

Drop the letro and use the lion

i cant buy from the web site and i havent much time to loss , then on now i have 48 test p 100 mg/ml , letro 2.5 mg each pill , hcg 5000 iu , tamoxifen 20 mg and clomid if you can help me to advise then help me with this . thanks

[devil-1986]

cycle looks decent but with your stats you would seem to small why if you been training for years why are you only 180lbs @14% bf ? How's your diet? Post pic of yourself up here

thank u derek in my current stat 180 lb if you look me then tell me you must around 200 lb because im mesomorph and in this weight i dont look like a normal 180 lb human or body builder

[Back In Black]

i have 48 test p 100 mg/ml and for eod pin and 8 week need 200 mg /eod because i think 100 mg/eod 300 mg weekly total for 8 week is much lower , what do you think ? is not 100 mg/eod 300 mg weekly much lower ?

I said 150mg per shot. That's 525mg per week. That's more than enough for your first cycle.

[Euroholic]

I dont see why you cant buy? They ship to aus and our customs are the toughest. Email them

[devil-1986]

if you guys in this forum are Maintain to be the professional bodybuilder then you can help me to adjust a one nice and best cycle with all of that i have , this isnt my answers that i would like to hear from pros !!!
i ask a one simple question about letro dosage on cycle and pct dosage while im go with letro ?

[derekkpapa1]

okay man good luck with cycle like everyone stated you would be better off with arimidex then letro. I have used both. Arimidex .5 eod was right for me and letro I took 1/4 of 2.5mg eod with is huge pain cutting that little ass pill but my cholesterol went thru roof and felt little depression from it. I will never use letro again as AI because strong side effects only if get gyno. I would wait till you get arimidex IMHO

[devil-1986]

I dont see why you cant buy? They ship to aus and our customs are the toughest. Email them

well , i cant buy . now you tell me go and sit around because i havent just arimidex go around and do noting with all other thing that now i have ?

[Honkey_Kong]

well , i cant buy . now you tell me go and sit around because i havent just arimidex go around and do noting with all other thing that now i have ?

Anything that's worth doing, is worth doing right. Go look for an arimidex source, they're not exactly mpossible to find. AR-R and many other research chem sites do ship to Australia. And you can probably find it through your dealer as well. I know you're anxious to start, but take your time to get the right stuff and not half-ass it.

[devil-1986]

okay man good luck with cycle like everyone stated you would be better off with arimidex then letro. I have used both. Arimidex .5 eod was right for me and letro I took 1/4 of 2.5mg eod with is huge pain cutting that little ass pill but my cholesterol went thru roof and felt little depression from it. I will never use letro again as AI because strong side effects only if get gyno. I would wait till you get arimidex IMHO

thank buddy .ok my current estradiol and test are high about that normal range i think i can go with letro because my current estradiol is high normal and even good for me for balancing it during cycle , so now what do you think ?
1. do you think 1/4 of 2.5 mg =0.625 mg eod enough for me to go with or anything else ?
2.my other question now is i decide to go with letro on cycle then pct dose is must at the same dose in my proposal above or need to be higher ?

[derekkpapa1]

run it - I just gave you an example of what it was like when I used. You would be better off with arimidex but u don't have it. It would be helpful if you post your bw results up here so we can see results before after and how letro effects your values.

[derekkpapa1]

if there is no way like I said then run it like you said In first post. You be fine just keep looking for arimidex u can always switch 1/2 way thru

[Honkey_Kong]

thank buddy .ok my current estradiol and test are high about that normal range i think i can go with letro because my current estradiol is high normal and even good for me for balancing it during cycle , so now what do you think ?
1. do you think 1/4 of 2.5 mg =0.625 mg eod enough for me to go with or anything else ?
2.my other question now is i decide to go with letro on cycle then pct dose is must at the same dose in my proposal above or need to be higher ?

You don't run letro for a PCT. you need a SERM and letro isn't one.

[devil-1986]

run it - I just gave you an example of what it was like when I used. You would be better off with arimidex but u don't have it. It would be helpful if you post your bw results up here so we can see results before after and how letro effects your values.

this is my current blood work i do some blood work tomorrow morning and update that .numbers in ( ) are lab ranges other numbers is lab unit

T4 (5.4-12.6) 8.1
T3 (84-202) 180
T.S.H (0.25-6.2) 0.3
free t4 (0.93-1.7) 1.26
free t3 (1.5-4.1) 2.16
F.S.H (1-14) 2.5
L.H (0.7-7.4) 5
testosterone HIGH (8.64-29) 44
free testosterone (4.25-30.37) 11
estradiol HIGH (7-42) 96
estrogen high (7.63-42.6) 46
P.S.A ( up to 4 ) 0.4
IGF-1 (89-276) 117
DHEA-SO4 HIGH (160-449) 490

[devil-1986]

I said 150mg per shot. That's 525mg per week. That's more than enough for your first cycle.

how do that math ? 100 mg/ml eod *3 days =300 mg weekly and 150 mg/ml eod *3 days =450 mg weekly not 525 mg

[Honkey_Kong]

how do that math ? 100 mg/ml eod *3 days =300 mg weekly and 150 mg/ml eod *3 days =450 mg weekly not 525 mg

EOD = 3.5 shots per week. Weeks have an odd number of days. You don't just round the extra day off and pretend like it never happened..

[devil-1986]

if there is no way like I said then run it like you said In first post. You be fine just keep looking for arimidex u can always switch 1/2 way thru

yeah if i can find it i do that . i read some where about letro when stoped , that estradiol level go to rebound and top to roof faster , my question is if this happening after stoped , then should not need to double the dose of pct such as nolva or clomid

[devil-1986]

EOD = 3.5 shots per week. Weeks have an odd number of days. You don't just round the extra day off and pretend like it never happened..

can you tell me a sample schedule for my 8 week shots pining days ?
thanks alot bro

[Honkey_Kong]

can you tell me a sample schedule for my 8 week shots pining days ?
thanks alot bro

Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday (repeat 4 times)

[devil-1986]

I said 150mg per shot. That's 525mg per week. That's more than enough for your first cycle.

if i do 150 mg per shot then i waste 50 mg/ml of 2*100 mg/ml ampules for 150 mg/ml eod that must be pin

[devil-1986]

Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday (repeat 4 times)

thanks alot bro . my mistake about eod shots is that i think do the shot at same times days of the week 1 ,mean for example : Monday Wednesday Friday Monday Wednesday Friday (repeat 4 times)

thank you for helping me to dont doing such a bad mistake

[devil-1986]

Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday (repeat 4 times)

is this (Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturdaythe) the sample of first 2 weeks of my cycle ?

[Honkey_Kong]

if i do 150 mg per shot then i waste 50 mg/ml of 2*100 mg/ml ampules for 150 mg/ml eod that must be pin

You can preload the remainder 50mg into another syringe and save it in a clean/dry place where it's not going to be disturbed until you use it.

[devil-1986]

You can preload the remainder 50mg into another syringe and save it in a clean/dry place where it's not going to be disturbed until you use it.

yeahhh that works thanks

[devil-1986]

is this (Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturdaythe) the sample of first 2 weeks of my cycle ?

is this (Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturdaythe) the sample of first 2 weeks of my cycle ?

[devil-1986]

tell me is this 1 week of cycle or 2 week (Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturdaythe ) (repeat 4 times) for my 8 week test p eod cycle

[Euroholic]

Your over thinking this. Just think about what every other day means? What ever day you start on just skip the next day then pin again the day after that then skip that next day then pin. Etc etc etc etc etc

[devil-1986]

Your over thinking this. Just think about what every other day means? What ever day you start on just skip the next day then pin again the day after that then skip that next day then pin. Etc etc etc etc etc

my mean , is ( Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday ) this 2 week of my 8 week or 1 week of my 8 week

[devil-1986]

if i go to cycle tomorrow 02/21/2014 for the 8 week cycle test p eod then tell me what was day is my last shot day ?

[devil-1986]

i read Drummerboy's thread about PCT and Cycle Recomendations: Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control and he said different as austinite thread about nolvadex and hcg use on cycle and pct
he said about nolvadex : Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) : Nolvadex is a SERM. It selectively binds to certain estrogen receptors, effectively blocking the estrogen and stopping unwanted sides such as gyno. It DOES NOT lower estro levels in the blood, it only blocks it from binding to certain receptors. It also helps your blood fat levels. It does not suppress LH, blocks desired estro receptors and helps stop HCG from desensitizing your testicles to natural LH. Nolva should be used during HCG therapy, at 20 mg a day, for the reason i just mentioned. Can be used during cycle if you see signs of gyno. Its mainly used to block the estrogen spike when you come off cycle, and should be used right through to the end until natural test levels are back. One drawback to consider about Nolva is that it may cause progesterone receptors to become more sensitive. This means that while using progestins such as Deca or Tren , you may become more sensetive to progestin related gyno.

and about hcg he said :HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin ) : HCG is a replacement for your natural LH (luteinizing hormone). LH is what your body produces to tell your testicles to produce natural testosterone . LH levels drop when using AAS (HPTA suppression). Using HCG while on cycle prevents testicular shrinkage, speeding PCT when the time comes. Using Nolva while using HCG helps stop HCG from de-sensitizing your testicles to natural LH. In my opinion, any decent cycle/PCT should include HCG. It has been suggested to me that HCG can be used throughout a cycle at 500iu E4D, but im unsure of this from practical experience. The most favorable way is to use it in the last couple weeks of your cycle at a higher dose, like 500iu ED. The trick is to end the use of HCG just as the last AAS is running out of your system. So, 3 weeks before the the last ester leaves your blood, you would start the HCG/nolva combo. HCG at about 500iu ED and Nolva 20mg ED. This is done before Nolva/aromasin (for example) PCT starts, and runs about a few weeks longer than the end of the HCG. Always include Nolva with your HCG, they work together well. Be careful not to overdose on HCG and permanently desenstize your testicles to LH. HCG has an active life of about 3 days. Vitamin E is a booster, read the next one :

Vitamin E : As Anthony Roberts pointed out to me, vitamin E increases the response to HCG. This may be useful in making the low doses of HCG we use more effective at growing back shrunken testicles. Doses can be generally 1000iu a day while using HCG.

tell me which plan is the best and effective plan to go with ? austinite or Drummerboy's ?

[Honkey_Kong]

my mean , is ( Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday Tuesday Thursday Saturday ) this 2 week of my 8 week or 1 week of my 8 week

it's a 2 week period that I listed there. EVERY OTHER DAY. You might want to spend more time thinking about this and maybe reconsider. this might be a little over your head.

[AlphaMike]

it's a 2 week period that I listed there. EVERY OTHER DAY. You might want to spend more time thinking about this and maybe reconsider. this might be a little over your head.

HK, looking at his grammar I think some of your advice is getting lost in translation. Just trying to give him the benefit of a doubt.