In Addition To Milk Thistle

**G Child** · 12-09-2001, 07:53 PM

There are lots of reports about Milk Thistle and it's ability to protect the liver especially while using AS that are harsh on the liver. Alpha Lipoic Acid could be used in conjunction with Milk Thistle to further protect the liver:

Alpha-Lipoic acid, also known as thioctic acid, is a natural anti-oxidant which has been used for years in Europe because of it's ability to help maintain or restore liver health. It's strong anti-oxidant capabilities have been used for radiation sickness and diabetes-related neuropathy. It has also been investigated as a possible HIV inhibitor.

The Theory Behind Taking Alpha-Lipoic Acid: Alpha-Lipoic Acid has been used successfully for the maintenance of liver health and as a treatment for several toxin-related illnesses. Alpha-Lipoic acid has been used extensively in Europe for years as a non-toxic nutrient to treat various chemical overdoses such as mushroom poisoning, radiation poisoning and alcoholic hepatitis. It has also been used to treat diabetic neuropathy and elevated liver enzymes. Elevated liver enzymes, which can indicate liver damage, can be a serious problem for people with life threatening diseases. For people who take oral medications such as antibiotics and/or anti-virals, balanced liver enzymes are essential for these drugs to get metabolized properly. Unfortunately, these same drugs can cause increased liver enzymes. Alpha-Lipoic acid may help protect the liver so that you can take certain drugs. A second benefit of Alpha-Lipoic acid may be its ability to elevate the levels of glutathione (GSH) and reactive oxidants. Low levels of glutathione may cause oxidative stress, and cause inflammation and damage organs. It may also damage nerve cells, leading to peripheral neuropathy. Oxidative stress may also speed up the replication of HIV.

**GenuinePL** · 12-09-2001, 08:02 PM

Great post G. Useful info.

**PADDLER** · 12-09-2001, 08:10 PM

On the whole Milk Thistle idea. How much milk thistle should you use when taking a 17aa AS?

**GenuinePL** · 12-09-2001, 08:11 PM

Round 1000mg per day.

**XBiker** · 12-09-2001, 09:32 PM

I take Milk Thistle AND ALA.

Daily, mind U.

**G Child** · 12-09-2001, 09:33 PM

Yo X, you take it daily? How does it help you, can you tell the difference while taking it?

**Nicksta** · 12-09-2001, 09:59 PM

Great post!

Hey G, where did you find this info, I would like to read more about it, sounds great!!

try Tylers liver detox at the anabolic fitness store, I like it.

http://216.219.200.193/Merchant2/mer...Store_Code=AFS

Nicksta

**GenuinePL** · 12-09-2001, 10:16 PM

I heard that Tyler liver D-etox was a good stuff. Is it better than taking Milk Thistle, ALA, and Cranberry extr. ???

**G Child** · 12-10-2001, 12:48 PM

Alright sk, this is what I found for you:

Research has shown that large doses of carbohydrate can enhance the cellular uptake of creatine. Studies also showed that Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) can further increase skeletal muscle creatine retention above that seen with creatine plus a moderate dose of carbohydrate. Subjects that supplemented with the combination of creatine, dextrose and ALA had significantly greater increases in total creatine and phosphocreatine than the other groups. The results denote that ALA can significantly enhance muscle creatine retention above that observed with creatine plus a moderate dose of carbohydrate or creatine alone.

Alpha Lipoic Acid in combination with creatine and dextrose can significantly enhance creatine levels in the muscle.

**PADDLER** · 12-10-2001, 12:51 PM

So is ALA illegal? Or can you get it at like a GNC?

**G Child** · 12-10-2001, 12:54 PM

You can get it just about anywhere. EAS makes it in 100mg tabs. ALA also regulates your sugar levels so that it is burned as energy and not stored as fat.

**PADDLER** · 12-10-2001, 04:21 PM

Should you take the Milk Thistle with the d-bol during the day, or should you take the thistle and ALA at different times during the day?

**GenuinePL** · 12-10-2001, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by PADDLER
Should you take the Milk Thistle with the d-bol during the day, or should you take the thistle and ALA at different times during the day?

Well, you will prob. take around 1000mg of milk thistle. Right. So spread it out during the day like into 3 times.

**Dr. Derek** · 12-11-2001, 09:34 PM

I know for a fact that milk thistlle and ALA do work, at least on a friend of mine . He had his liver enzymes checked mid cycle and they were elevated, he took Milk Thistle and ALA and within four weeks his level's drop significantly.