Mass cycle advice

[TheMonstar]

Current stats:

age: 25
height: 5"10
weight: 185
bf: 11%

Goals - Looking to potentially Bulk first before i start any type of competition training/dieting

Weeks 1-4 Prop
Weeks 1-4 D-BOL 50MG PER DAY (25MG SPLIT INTO 2 DOSES)
Weeks 1-14 Test E or Test C 600mg per week
Weeks 1-12 Deca 300mg per week
Weeks 1-14 Proviron 50mg split into (2) 25mg doses morning and evening

WEEKS 8-16 HCG 250IU 2X A WEEK (500IU) ... EVERY 3 DAYS
WEEKS 1-16 cabergoline 0.5mg every 3 days
WEEKS 1-16 AROMASIN 12.5 ED OR 6.25 2X PER DAY

PCT:

WEEK 17: CLOMID 100MG/ NOLV 40MG/ AROMASIN 6.25 ED
WEEK 18: CLOMID 100MG/ NOLV 40MG/ AROMASIN 6.25 ED
WEEK 19: CLOMID 50MG/ NOLV 20MG/ AROMASIN 6.25 ED
WEEK 20: CLOMID 50MG/ NOLV 20MG/ AROMASIN 6.25 ED

[Back In Black]

First cycle?

[TheMonstar]

No. This will be my 4th cycle. Im introducing proviron for the first time. I believe it will be a beneficial factor in freeing up from test and keeping my drive going with the deca . Plus I'm running a 2x1 ratio deca to test ... ANY RECOMMENDATIONS

[Back In Black]

3 cycles to get to 185lbs my advice would be sort out your diet buddy.

[Honkey_Kong]

3 cycles to get to 185lbs my advice would be sort out your diet buddy.

^^^ Read this over and over again. The reason you're 185lbs is because you don't eat enough REAL FOOD.

At 5'10 you should have no problem being a lean 185lbs without ever using any AAS and you've had 3 cycles. Doesn't that scream to you that something is very wrong with your diet and/or training?

Write down everything you ate yesterday including portion sizes.

[Buster Brown]

Have your other cycles been bulking cycles ? If so then yes , your diet def needs addressing. Bulking cycle won't be worth crap if you aren't eating enough. You will gain water weight and think you are putting on size only to be diss appointed at the end when the water disappears and you haven't gained anything.
You cycle doesn't look bad. How much prop?, I would use hcg right from the start. Cab could be .25 twice a week or .50 twice a week . Drop the ai during pct.

[Buster Brown]

Also.....12.5 twice a day for aromasin

[Steve.O]

IMO i dont see the point in the test prop when your running dbols at the same time. They kick in quickly and wil produce results right up until your longer ester test kicks. Bit over kill pal. I know ya want to get big but waste a gear t me

[TheMonstar]

I understand the concerns but my diet is in check . I gained 37 pounds on cycle and kept 19 but unforuntely I had a member in my family pass away and than 2 weeks later my best friend passed away and I went into servere depression and stopped eating and battled a drug problem . I'm clean 1 year now and and ready to get back to basics . I actually am proposing a differnt cycle which is

Weeks 1-4 - drol - debating on a mg to use need recommendations
Weeks 1-12 - test e 600
Weeks 1-12 -mast e 500
Weeks 1-12 Proviron 50 a day,

cycle length 12 weeks
pct week 14 nolva and clomid 4 weeks,
-ai on hand if needed

I feel this is a better mean mass cycle for myself with less sides . Ongoing debate at the drol usage

[RangerDanger830]

I understand the concerns but my diet is in check . I gained 37 pounds on cycle and kept 19 but unforuntely I had a member in my family pass away and than 2 weeks later my best friend passed away and I went into servere depression and stopped eating and battled a drug problem . I'm clean 1 year now and and ready to get back to basics . I actually am proposing a differnt cycle which is

Weeks 1-4 - drol - debating on a mg to use need recommendations
Weeks 1-12 - test e 600
Weeks 1-12 -mast e 500
Weeks 1-12 Proviron 50 a day,

cycle length 12 weeks
pct week 14 nolva and clomid 4 weeks,
-ai on hand if needed

I feel this is a better mean mass cycle for myself with less sides . Ongoing debate at the drol usage

Take the AI on cycle, not as needed, and not during PCT.

[TheMonstar]

Mast runs as an AI almost as from what I'm aware in plenty of readings and studies ?

[RangerDanger830]

You are right, it does serve as an AI through weak chemical bonds to your receptors, emphasis on weak. Back before AIs, dudes couldn't take a lot of test because they couldn't effectively regulate their estrogen as well as we can now. Prov changed that, it allowed people to take more test in their cycles with less side effects. However, there is a reason why compounds such as aromasin , adex, and letro were still created, they are more effective as AIs than proviron .

[TheMonstar]

I understand provision free's up more test but the mast e acts as an anti estrogen i believe also ....thats from current updated sources

[TheMonstar]

12.5 aromosasin 2x a day seems like overkill

[MuscleInk]

It's a very mild to moderate aromatase inhibitor but is not typically used as an AI or in place of an AI. A greater risk with masteron is the activation of androgen receptors in the prostate by dihydrotestosterone. In the presence of DHT, bound androgen receptors translocate into the nucleus, dimerize, and bind to the androgen-response elements, which activate genes involved in hyperplasia of cell lines. This process is further exacerbated by the presence of circulating estrogens.

Masteron is one of my favorite compounds, however, I would never advise foregoing an AI during your cycle. How much you actually need will depend on how quickly YOUR body aromatizes testosterone . The only way to truly know is to have blood work done at multiple time points on cycle. The recommended guideline is 12.5mg/d (aromasin ) or .25mg qod (Arimidex ) but needs will very across individuals.

[RangerDanger830]

I understand provision free's up more test but the mast e acts as an anti estrogen i believe also ....thats from current updated sources

I do not know what "current updated" sources you are reading but here is why pro does not do what you expect it to..

http://www.researchgate.net/publicat...62b230b7a0.pdf

". The mean sperm count
significantly decreased by 28% (P< 0.05) and the motility reduced significantly by 56% (P< 0.05) in the
treated compared to control. In addition, both FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and T (testosterone ) of
the treated were significantly lowered by 73% (P< 0.05) and 63% (P< 0.05) respectively compared to the
control."

Effects of various modes of androgen substitution therapy on erythropoiesis. - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central

MES being your proviron ...". MES did not increase serum T and TU raised average T levels during substitution to 5.7 +/- 0.3 nmol/l, thereby doubling baseline concentrations."

The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled... - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central

"Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels ."

Studies like these make me wary of proviron over the many alternatives we have available in today's market. Now for the Mast, it is not the best for bulking. I don't even have to site sources for that one, just take a stroll over to its profile on this website and it tells you that.

[michael30]

3 cycles to get to 185lbs my advice would be sort out your diet buddy.

Bib i know you know nutrition well, but im confused your telling this guy to sort out his diet when you have almost identical stats????