Mastering my cycle (Veteran) AAS, HGH, IGF-1, Slin

**Bear Paws** · 04-24-2014, 01:29 PM

Please review my cycle and give any suggestions and information that may be helpful. Thanks. (I've researched and used insulin in many cycles) please respond with educated and experienced comments. Do not use slin unless you have researched it thoroughly. It can KILL YOU!

I have all my ancillaries ie.. Liver, bp, cholesterol, etc...

Experienced
5'8" 225lbs
18%bf
31 yrs old
Last Cycle
10 months ago
Highest dose used 800mg test w/
500mg deca or eq + 400mg tren or mast 400mg + Proviron 50mg + win tabs 50mg + igf -1 Des or lr3 + peg mgf etc etc etc
Longest Cycle
30weeks - mixed compounds & peptides
Shortest Cycle
1st ever 5weeks of test prop
Been Cycling on/off for
8 yrs
Diet is B- but I know how to change that in an instant and will be counting macro's 50/50/10 6x ed for 23 weeks for lean bulk A+

Test Cyp 500mg wk 1-10
Deca 500mg wk 1-10
GH 4iu ed mon-fri wk 1-23
T-4 62.5mcg ed wk 1-23
Superdrol 10/20/20/20mg wk 1-4, 9-12
TNE/Inj D-Bol 37.5mg/37.5mg wo days bi lat in muscle trained wk 5-8
Slin up to 20iu 2x wo days only wk 1-4, 9-12, 17-20
Metformin 425mg 2x non wo days wk 1-4, 9-12, 17-20
Igf-lr3 50mcg bi/lat wk 2-5, 10-13, 18-21
Sust 540mg wk 10-20
Test Prop 100mg wk 10-20
Mast Ace 100mg wk 10-20
Tren Ace 100mg wk 10-20
Mast En 400mg wk 10-20
Tren En 375mg wk 16-23
Test Cyp 500mg wk 20-23

PS I may bump the test up 100mg-200mg during weeks 10-23 depending on how I look and feel.
May also bump the GH up to 6iu as well if funds allow
Also I'd like to compete at 220lbs or leanest weight possible around 6-8%bf

**Times Roman** · 04-24-2014, 02:11 PM

if all the gear you take weighs more than two pounds, it's probably too much?

and why mix hormones with pro-hormones?

**tren_monster** · 04-24-2014, 02:31 PM

Holy shit that's a lot of gear. Major overkill bro!

**Capebuffalo** · 04-24-2014, 03:16 PM

Only problem I see is you forgot a major component.

The Kitchen Sink.

Throw that in and your gtg

Go big or go home.

Double the dosage and the length.
Add 1 cup of Apple juice.

Disclaimer: do not follow instructions

**Black** · 04-24-2014, 03:30 PM

At first I thought you were just naming as many steroids as you could. Then I realized its your proposed cycle.

I kind of feel that if you are a veteran and taking everything under the sun, than what advice do you need?

**Bear Paws** · 04-24-2014, 04:36 PM

Superdrol is a great strength to size (lean) ph plus other benefits. Not really a fan of Anadrol . I've had good gains on S. Drol kept estro at bay got very strong. It's low dose (20mg max) 4 weeks at a time so I'm not sure what the problem is.

What do u mean 2 pounds of gear?
It's just over a gram for the first 10weeks and the second 10weeks are not much over a gram either.

Any suggestions?

I guess I come from a club where most guys are running a gram of test alone. I like 800mg but personally 1000mgs is a bit much.
If you only saw of few of my buds runs you'd think this was mild.

**Times Roman** · 04-24-2014, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bear Paws

Superdrol is a great strength to size (lean) ph plus other benefits. Not really a fan of Anadrol . I've had good gains on S. Drol kept estro at bay got very strong. It's low dose (20mg max) 4 weeks at a time so I'm not sure what the problem is.

What do u mean 2 pounds of gear?
It's just over a gram for the first 10weeks and the second 10weeks are not much over a gram either.

Any suggestions?

I guess I come from a club where most guys are running a gram of test alone. I like 800mg but personally 1000mgs is a bit much.
If you only saw of few of my buds runs you'd think this was mild.

it was a poor attempt at humor.

I understand the urge to compete, and at a national level, it is common for blokes to be running a lot of gear.

I just urge you to be cautious, and think of your future. I've known a few over the years, and most are goal oriented, and really not very concerned about future health.

**Live for the PUMP** · 04-24-2014, 07:13 PM

I really don't see how this is too much gear. Looks like a moderate cycle for a competitor. I just think it is too short.

You are only bulking for 10 weeks? I am guessing you have the mass/muscle at 225 5'8"...

I apologize bro I don't really have any advice. lol. I am going to be stepping into competition size cycles in a couple months as well. I am just curious why you don't run the slin everday?

**Live for the PUMP** · 04-24-2014, 07:17 PM

Bro I think you should post this in the competitive BB section of the forum. This section is mostly for the beginners.

**Bear Paws** · 04-25-2014, 08:50 AM

My reasoning behind the 10weeks of bulking was that deca would stay active for another 2 weeks totaling 12 and the SDrol would help give me the last extra kick to bulk up a bit. I want to remain lean as possible during this bulk as my bulking in the past has gotten a little out of hand and makes cutting a daunting task.

The reason I don't run slin everyday is to re-sensitize my insulin receptors on off days to get the best bang for the buck as it were.

Thanks for the info as well.

Anything you'd change? Move around? Add? Subtract?

**FONZY007** · 04-25-2014, 09:16 AM

Why run the test cyp and Tren E at the end of cycle?

Will you be using HCG ?

Also what do you use for BP?

**Bonaparte** · 04-26-2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Bear Paws

The reason I don't run slin everyday is to re-sensitize my insulin receptors on off days to get the best bang for the buck as it were.

Actually, avoiding insulin resistance and diabetes would be a better reason. But this is more about body composition and how much sugar you consume than your actual slin dosing frequency.

**gianttime** · 04-27-2014, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

Why run the test cyp and Tren E at the end of cycle?

Will you be using HCG ?

Also what do you use for BP?

My first question is just the same as FonZ but the next is:
why run Sust and prop at the same time?

Seems like you can get your hands on just about anything, why not just Cyp straight through or sust the whole time if you like to mix Test esters..

**Bear Paws** · 04-29-2014, 04:56 PM

The only reason for running a different ester of the same compound is that I got a bottle of the other ester same compound for a discounted price. It would only be to increase the total mg of the select compound.

For blood pressure I will utilize diet (low sodium, more celery), red yeast rice, aspirin, coconut oil, possibly coq10, letrozole (to keep water retention low), and benazepril if nessessary.

I will be using hcg at the end of my cycle in my pct. I've used during cycle before and I dont believe hcg is best utilized while on AAS and if I do it again it may only be once in the middle of my run for the "boost"

**Bear Paws** · 04-29-2014, 05:01 PM

Why run the test cyp and Tren E at the end of cycle?

My only reason would be to extend the cycle to 23 weeks but there's still room to play around with the end of my cycle. I want to get the best from all aspects cycle length, timing, compounds, etc...

Would you suggest running them a different way?
What would you change? How? Why?