tren and test cycle to

**RyanMorris** · 05-10-2014, 03:55 PM

Hi all I have just been given and about to start using gentech ultra test 400 and has the following,

Test propionate 30mg

Test phenylpropionate 60mg

Test isocaproate 60mg

Test enanthate 100mg

Trenbolone enanthate 150mg

So basically I am wondering because of the short esters would it be most beneficial to inject 0.5ml every other day or would 1ml twice a week be just as effective?

Also I could scrap this course and buy test enanthate 250 as money isn't an object, it's just a friend gave me 2 bottles of this gentech as he has family issues.

Please note that I am not 19 so please don't say I'm too young, I don't know why my profile says this.

Thank you in advance

**austinite** · 05-10-2014, 11:58 PM

Dang, Ryan. 1 post per year?

Post your stats so people can help you, my friend. Also state your goals clearly.

A general answer to your broad question is short esters are best injected daily. Every other day would be the max I would personally go.

**RyanMorris** · 05-11-2014, 12:56 AM

Yes it's just on every other steroid forum they say it's best to inject twice a week for gentech ultra test 400. But as you said every other day is what I've always known for short esters just wandering why people are saying twice a week just because it's a blend.

I'm 21, 17st 7lb 23% body fat I have been training since I was in school but had to take six months off with a shoulder injury. I have been back now for 6 months, I haven't been weighing my food up as a result I've put on more fat than intended.

I will be doing an 8 week shred diet which I have had tailored and sent by a grenade athlete. I would usually work out my own calories and macros but I am working too much right now.

I'm exited to see the results, I will keep my progress updated weekly.

Any advice welcome!

Thank you

**songdog** · 05-11-2014, 12:58 AM

Throw it in the trash before you hurt yourself.21 yrs old not the ideal age for running a cycle bro.Read the young and steroids thread.

**RyanMorris** · 05-11-2014, 01:33 AM

I've already ready it, I know I'm not the ideal age but I'm willing to accept the consequences if anything bad happens

I'm ready to do steroids mentally and physically and it's going to happen, but anyways thanks for your input.

As for sides I am taking,
Pramipexole starring at .1ml daily to test for sides then increase slowly throughout course.
Arimidex at .25mg daily

Hcg 1000iu daily inbetween end of cycle and Pct, I have been told a blast would be most appropriate as of in cycle dosing.

Pct will be
nolva 50/20/20/20 and
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Thank you,
Ryan.

**David LoPan** · 05-11-2014, 01:34 AM

IMO the blend AAS are CRAP. You dont know what your are getting or what would be causing any sides. 21 is very young to run AAS. You would be smart to start your PCT and stop the AAS. You can cut by diet along and training. I hope you know we say this with your interest in mind.

**David LoPan** · 05-11-2014, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by RyanMorris

I've already ready it, I know I'm not the ideal age but I'm willing to accept the consequences if anything bad happens

I'm ready to do steroids mentally and physically and it's going to happen, but anyways thanks for your input.

As for sides I am taking,
Pramipexole starring at .1ml daily to test for sides then increase slowly throughout course.
Arimidex at .25mg daily

Hcg 1000iu daily inbetween end of cycle and Pct, I have been told a blast would be most appropriate as of in cycle dosing.

Pct will be
nolva 50/20/20/20 and
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Thank you,
Ryan.

HCG is run 250 twice a week on cycle. You need more information before running a cycle. And never run anything but test for your first few cycles if you choose not to listen to solid advice about waiting a few years. You could end up on TRT at a young age for the rest of your life. IMO not worth the risks. Ask any vets, mods or trt people and they will tell you the same thing. Wait

**marcus300** · 05-11-2014, 01:51 AM

Your to young to risk using steroids and your also have way to much bf. Both of these will give your adverse side effects you need to stop straight away and learn how to train correctly and also eat to achieve your goals without any anabolic support.

**RyanMorris** · 05-11-2014, 01:52 AM

Thanks for the advice

**Back In Black** · 05-11-2014, 01:52 AM

Too young
Too fat
Poor overall plan
No time to work out your own diet so leaving it to someone who doesn't know you
Tren as a first cycle?

Buddy no offence but all the above are why you aren't ready to do this. You should really reconsider.

**RyanMorris** · 05-11-2014, 02:34 AM

Okay I've decided to drop the tren and to just take test enanthate 250, 1 ml Monday, 1 ml thursday for 12 weeks then pct following 2 weeks after last jab.

This post was to see if it was worth using the gentech as it was free from a mate.

I know I have high fat % but at the end of the course I will have a lot less and hopefully keep most of my muscle.

I have been sent the diet plan (carb cycling) it has calorie and macro breakdown and it looks very good, if the doesn't work out I can adjust it to meet my needs as I'm not new to it at all.

Thanks for the advice guys.

Wish me luck

**Back In Black** · 05-11-2014, 02:39 AM

Your plan is still poor but you are only here to hear what you want to hear.

I'm gonna wish you good luck because I think you are going to need it.

**austinite** · 05-11-2014, 07:38 AM

Great. Didn't realize you're 21. Man... that is just too young. Not worth it.

**marcus300** · 05-11-2014, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by RyanMorris

Okay I've decided to drop the tren and to just take test enanthate 250, 1 ml Monday, 1 ml thursday for 12 weeks then pct following 2 weeks after last jab.

This post was to see if it was worth using the gentech as it was free from a mate.

I know I have high fat % but at the end of the course I will have a lot less and hopefully keep most of my muscle.

I have been sent the diet plan (carb cycling) it has calorie and macro breakdown and it looks very good, if the doesn't work out I can adjust it to meet my needs as I'm not new to it at all.

Thanks for the advice guys.

Wish me luck

how can you drop the tren when your taking a blend, blends are shit. Stop taking steroids at your age they will do you more harm than good, learn how to eat to growth and learn how to train correctly

**Buster Brown** · 05-11-2014, 07:56 AM

My friend, you keep getting good advice but it's not what you want to hear so you are still kinda doing what you want. Be smart and listen. Best thing you can do for yourself is drop BF and tighten up your diet skills before even considering cycling. The hard work to prepare will make your cycle that much more successful .