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    lowered estrogen to low could i bring it back up with raising my test prop?

    lowered estrogen to low could i bring it back up with raising my test prop? would this work? im pinning 250mg of sus250 and 100mg of test prop a week (350mg a week total) pinned eod. started taking arimidex after going weeks without it at 1mg ed in the morning 1st day and felt great to kill my high estro. 2nd day 1mg still good, 3rd day 1mg still fine, 4th day 1 mg good but a little tired at the end of fay then yesterday took 1mg and im super tired and bloated again. maybe lowered my estro too much causing my body to dehydrate and hold excess water?. took 1mg this morning also bad idea......
    so yesterday was my sus & prop pin and im not supposed to pin until tommorow but im kinda worried it will get worse tonight. so should i pin and extra 30mg test prop tonight? will this work to get my estro levels higher?.
    been on test on and off for three years. diet is fine. im actually a gluten free bodybuilder get my sodium and potassium etc. everything was awesome until now.

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    Wow your arimadex dose is 8x higher than a normal starting dose. Leave the proponate dose as is and take your arimadex .25mg every other day

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    looks like you exponentially zapped your E. 1mg a day with a drug that has a half like of about 46 hours could have brought your E low. Back off it wait to feel "normal" then dose. I personally wait for slight sides of high E to come and then begin re-dosing when this happens to me, since it doesn't make much sense to start blocking your E just went it rose to a level where you feel normal. Back off the adex for a week or so and see how you feel.

    Back off as in stop taking the AI. Let it clear it from your system allowing your E to climb to a comfortable range.

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    thanks! yeah two days ago i was alot fuller lean and with no bloat at all, i shouldve tapered but made that mistake. so yeah my estro levels were high took 1mg brought it down to normal in two days and i shouldve tapered off then now im exactly opposite estro is way low. just thought prop would help bring it up?estro i mean?. yeah definetely laying off bro thanks!.

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    Prop will work yes, faster then enth or cyp since it's a fast acting ester. You don't have to up the dose of the prop. It will speed things up if you upped the dose BUT probably will make getting the right dose of the AI more difficult since you would be lowering your prop and starting the AI. Just drop the AI for now.

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    Holding all else constant makes solving problems a lot easier ha

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    yeah i guess you right bro i agree. dont want to make things more confusing haha. thanks man appreciate it! =] and will do. stupid mistake...

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    Good example of what happens when you don't research.

    Do not stop taking your AI, just go to a reasonable dose. 0.25 EOD.

    How old are you anyway, and what's your Body fat percentage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Good example of what happens when you don't research.

    Do not stop taking your AI, just go to a reasonable dose. 0.25 EOD.

    How old are you anyway, and what's your Body fat percentage?
    Wouldn't that only delay the process of E restoration? Seems like keeping your foot on the accelerator when braking. He has low E so why not allow it rise? Having low E sucks lol. Maybe .25 is too much or too little for OP?

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    No. It will be more manageable and easier for his body to adjust rather than a seemingly instant spike. OP is not prepared either way. Needs blood work, several panels, several times... Hit or miss without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    No. It will be more manageable and easier for his body to adjust rather than a seemingly instant spike. OP is not prepared either way. Needs blood work, several panels, several times... Hit or miss without them.
    Isn't it still a somewhat hit or miss with them too? A specific test needs to be done which is pretty pricey bc the standard one is geared toward women and even then its not a be all end all right. Just read a post about this on these forums.
    From personal experience letro at .25 mgs EOD zapped my E while my best friend on only test E 500mgs needed .75mg EOD to prevent high E. Same company and same order. To many variables like genetics and dose of his AI, and potential current E levels for me to have told him to keep on at "reasonable" dose. I need letro at .25 twice a week on test e/ tren ace 500mg week, which most would see as crazy. I like to step out of the box and adjust, but then again my title isn't "HRT Specialist."
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesah1 View Post
    Isn't it still a somewhat hit or miss with them too? Specific test needs to be done which is very costly bc the standard one is geared toward women. Just read a post about this on these forums.
    From personal experience letro at .25 mgs zapped my E while my best friend on test E only needed .75mg EOD to prevent high E. Same company and same order. To many variables like genetics and dose of his AI, and potential current E levels for me to have told him to keep on at "reasonable" dose. I need letro at .25 twice a week on test e/ tren ace 500mg week. I like to step out of the box and adjust, but then again my title isn't "HRT Specialist."
    Nothing is hit or miss when you draw panels. Cycling without them is silly at best. Young and eager...

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    It's human nature in a "more is better" society full of a younger generation that expects instant gratification, then complain when they don't get it. The problem will get far worse before it gets better.
    He crashed his E2 fast, no need to spike it fast. Recipe for gynecomastia and a host of other concerns that will yield nothing but a cumbersome course of trial and error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Nothing is hit or miss when you draw panels. Cycling without them is silly at best. Young and eager...



    He crashed his E2 fast, no need to spike it fast. Recipe for gynecomastia and a host of other concerns that will yield nothing but a cumbersome course of trial and error.
    I agree young and eager yes, but he'd begin to feel normal before gyno and other High E sides set in correct? How fast can one jump especially since he has the AI on hand and ready.

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    Then again, I'm not gyno sensitive. I only get bloat (water retention) and mood swings when my E rises above normal.
    We aren't OP and he might not be very well informed but AI's seem to be a tricky b*tch where "proper" dosing is concerned. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by davesah1 View Post
    I agree young and eager yes, but he'd begin to feel normal before gyno and other High E sides set in correct? How fast can one jump especially since he has the AI on hand and ready.
    When testosterone has already been compounding; entirely fast. With the exception of gynecomastia , high estrogen and Low estrogen impact the body with very similar side effects. Should OP quickly switch from low estrogen to high estrogen, he would likely not recognize much change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesah1 View Post
    Then again, I'm not gyno sensitive. I only get bloat (water retention) and mood swings when my E rises above normal.
    We aren't OP and he might not be very well informed but AI's seem to be a tricky b*tch where "proper" dosing is concerned. IMHO
    Might not be well informed? You mean, absolutely without a doubt, has no idea what he is doing and should stop this silly cycle so that he can educate himself further. That's how you make informed decisions.

    No offense, OP, but it's time to hit the drawing board again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    Might not be well informed? You mean, absolutely without a doubt, has no idea what he is doing and should stop this silly cycle so that he can educate himself further. That's how you make informed decisions. No offense, OP, but it's time to hit the drawing board again.
    Yes, hit that drawing board again , OP 1 CanOP

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    No. It will be more manageable and easier for his body to adjust rather than a seemingly instant spike. OP is not prepared either way. Needs blood work, several panels, several times... Hit or miss without them.
    Is this stuff that hard to figure out? Why do these guys want instant results even in cases like this.

    Here is an example that comes to mind; when you are driving down you freeway do you slam the gas to the floor then slam the brake just before hitting the car in front of you, repeat, repeat, repeat...

    Yes Austinite we know YOU drive like this.

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    How do we know .25 EOD isn't to much for OP? I mean I'm saying stop and wait for gyno. The kid took 3mg of a drug with a half life of ~48 hours in 72 hours. I would advocate letting some of that clear from his system before he keeps jamming more down his mouth. It about a little less than a week he would have .25mgs in his system, doing the half life math. I'd say use .125 mgs and adjust appropriately that would still keep E at bay/ delay the onset of high E. I agree tho back to the square one with OP would be his best case scenario in a perfect world, but honestly who's going to to that mid cycle with his experience. Sad and annoying yes, but the cold truth in my opinion.

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    Dave, why don't you read the estrogen/prolactin/progesterone thread in the educational sticky? It doesn't seem like you understand exactly how these AI's work. So arguing at this stage is fruitless.
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    Like Austinite said, lower your dose and wait it out. You're going to overcompensate again.

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    Sensitive assay before cycle twice during cycle and post cycle . Why are people so opposed to knowing wtf is going on with their bodies. Spend money on gear but not bloodwork?

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