Sust tren ace dbol help/info needed

[Toloosz]

My first time posting i have run a couple cycles over the last two years first cycled gained 40 pounds 2nd cycle was a bust bad gear 3rd cycle was great prop dbol tren but ran out after 6 weeks. Now im 4 weeks into my 4 real cycle good gear sust tren dbol
Sust mon wed friday 750mg 1-16
Dbol 1-5 30mg
Dbol 8-10 40mg
Dbol 13-16 40mg
Tren eod 50mg 3-10
So far im up ten pounds by week 2 an have bin holding i added tren at week 3 an i have become much more solid in just a week an gained 2 pounds more any critique would help

[numbere]

16 weeks is a long time to take dbol . Dbol is a aa17 steroid and is liver loxic.

What does your PCT look like?

Are you taking an AI?

Are you taking hCG ?

[Toloosz]

Not the full 16 week thats crazy just first 3 an again in the middle and end
My pct is gonna be nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

[Buster Brown]

I would only start the cycle with dbol and thats IT! Your 4th cycle and you are going way overboard with your doses. I would cap it off between week 12 and 14 depending on if you are still really gaining or not. Are you going to run something for prolactin sides or just see what happens? How about an AI and hcg ? You may be up ten pounds and feel strong but a large majority of that is water. 750 mgs tes on a 4 th cycle is a bit much especially if its actually a third cycle bcuz of bunk gear....easy does it my friend!

[Toloosz]

Honestly if u saw me i barley ever hold water ive never needed an ai ive bin very lucky with that as for prolactin my first tren run i was ok no sex sides or prolactin gyno never test gyno either i did get sweats and insomnia but i do have letro incase prolactin happens.as for my dosing from my first xouple of goes i noticed i didnt get any real results till i bumped doses up to 750ish at 500 my results were weak an those two times an this time my gear is great. What im curious about is peoples e perience with sust on an eod basis imstead of 250 mon wens thurs how bout eod with a lesser dose is there any difference in feel an results

[Toloosz]

I figured dbol cycling threw cause it keeps me nice an big especialy on tren that stuff realy tightens me up the two together have a nice synergy i believe. Does it make sense ?

[numbere]

You may not like what he said, but Buster gave you some solid advise.

You should definitely use a prolactin antagonist on cycle. Its the same logic as wearing a seatbelt when riding in a car. Caber has less sides than prami.

Letro is the most potant AI avaible. AIs really shouldn't be used to treat gyno. Plus letro is so strong it will crash your E levels so much that you will have low E issues. If you get gyno raloxifene is the best fix.

[Toloosz]

Ok so running caber will help from getting prolactin used as a precaution. Reason i brought up prami is because i can get that an know its legit caber i cant seem to get where i know its proper. I bought the letro on hand cause i read how it works godforbid it happens. So far i have never had issues luckily

[Toloosz]

I also read that prami raises igf levels when taken at night before bed and enough that its beneficial so it had another benefit to use. What i didnt like is the sides i read about. Does prami have the benefit of keeping libido from crashing like caber does

[numbere]

Prami is perfectly fine. Just know that it may make you nauseous or drowsy.

Once again you shouldn't use letro to treat gyno symptoms. If used it will likely crash you E levels an make you feel horrible.

Like Buster said, you should consider using less sustanon . In regard to AAS 'less is more'.

An AI is a must on cycle or your asking for E problems. Should use hCH on cycle as well. HCG will protect your testicles from atrophy.

[Toloosz]

Thanks for the info realy appreciate it im going to order prami now. So what is letro used for always thought if u actualy get gyno prolactin or test kind that it will kill it fast an that stuff like caber prami were for prolactin protection and arimidex and arimasin were for test gyno precautions. As for 750 sust i know less is more but the way my body responds 500 isnt as effective im not sensitive like others my friend can take 500 from the same bottle an blow up i take 500 an nothing its my chemistry make up i truely believe that

[Toloosz]

I spend hours doing research u here so many different options an point of views on every aspect. What ive learned is everyones chemistry is different an everyone responds different to different compounds ive bin trying different stuff an seeing what works an doesnt work for me an from experimenting an gaining experience. Ive found out alot everything from what food an when an what compounds to use its pretty cool to keep learning about urself an and advancing

[numbere]

Letro is used for gyno treatment by some people, but it is not recommended. Letro is an AI, for an AI to effectively treat gyno it has to reduce you E levels to basically zero. This is where the problems start because your body needs E to maintain homeostasis.

Rolax is a better choice for gyno because it has a high selective binding affinity for E in breast tissue.

Adex and stain maintain aromatase enzyme levels.

[Unrealone]

My first time posting i have run a couple cycles over the last two years first cycled gained 40 pounds 2nd cycle was a bust bad gear 3rd cycle was great prop dbol tren but ran out after 6 weeks. Now im 4 weeks into my 4 real cycle good gear sust tren dbol
Sust mon wed thursday 750mg 1-16
Dbol 1-5 30mg
Dbol 8-10 40mg
Dbol 13-16 40mg
Tren eod 50mg 3-10
So far im up ten pounds by week 2 an have bin holding i added tren at week 3 an i have become much more solid in just a week an gained 2 pounds more any critique would help

this has to be a typo, right?

[Toloosz]

So basically ur just trying to maintain healthy e levels with ais two little e an two much will hurt u. Now Say u get gyno an u just block it from binding that would be a healthier way but when u stop blocking it wouldnt it reattach an continue to cause gyno so at some point u would have to totaly kill ur levels an let ur body reset again

[Toloosz]

Like nolvadex it blocks test related gyno doesnt kill estrogen just keeps it from binding but soon as u stop it reattaches an gyno starts again so wouldnt you have to kill the e an bare the brunt of that for a while. Am i totaly off on that ? I totaly get y ais are important like u sed its ur seatbelt from having to go thru the window as a precaution.

[numbere]

The first part of your post is correct. I'm not sure what your saying in the second part.

It would be in your best interest to read this thread by jimmy. It explains how AIs and SERMs work. It also touches on dosages.

Ancillary Reference Guide

[Toloosz]

Very cool have a much better idea of whats going with these. Only thing it doesnt touch on is if prolactin gyno actualy happens it only shows what an how to prevent it but not on what or how to stop it if it happens anyway

[Toloosz]

No typo

[numbere]

That's because prolactin induced gyno doesn't exist. In short, 19 nor AAS raise prolactin levles only in the presence of high E levels. If you'd like a more in depth explanation check out the 2nd topic in this thread 'Prolactin In Men'.

Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone Management + Gynecomastia Prevention & Reversal

[Toloosz]

So i basicly need to run prami for tren and arimidex to stay in good standing

[Toloosz]

So i basicly need to run prami for tren and arimidex to stay in good standing and add nolva if i get gyno on cycle

[Unrealone]

No typo

why in the world would you pin mon-wed-thurs?

also, do not run nolva on cycle with tren ...

[Toloosz]

So i basicly need to run prami for tren and arimidex to stay in good standing and add nolva if i get gyno on cycle

[Toloosz]

What do u suggest on running sust i personaly like mon wens thursday or every other day an no nolva is for pct not on cycle

[Toloosz]

Sust twice a week is junk i feel more stable 3 times or every other day even every third day works

[Unrealone]

you are not helping yourself by running back to back days (weds/thurs) and then pinning again in 4 days... the key is to keep blood levels steady...you are only asking for more side effects by pinning the way you are... you can pin eod or e3d and its almost a guarantee you wont know the difference.

of course, everyone is different and if you feel more comfy running eod, then stick to that, but there is def. no need to run back to back days... goodluck with the prami...it rips my stomach up too much and i have to stick with the caber, which does great for me

[Toloosz]

Oh wow it is a typo i meant mon wens friday sorry. Yes like that or eod or every 3 days. They all feel the same to me. I never ran an ai or prami never had issues but being its so stressed here ima try the prami with arimidex its the two i can get that i know is legit. I always figured if its not broke dont fix it that i would be asking for complications by adding that stuff being im not holding water much my libido is great and i have never got gyno

[Toloosz]

The cycle itself is going great i never lost my appetite an dbol an tren usualy do that im sleeping great an i feel great it realy is strange. Last time i couldnt sleep or eat well. My composition is changing alot an even my bp is doing good which that is usualy bad. I think my diet being dialed in good now is a helping me alot an the fact my gear is all up to par each compoumd is doing its job properly its so hard u gotta realy know ur sources an do ur research most of the stuff out there is either fake underdosed or not even what the bottle says it is

[Toloosz]

If i raise my tren dose or take it everyday instead how big a difference in results will that be or not be

[Unrealone]

If i raise my tren dose or take it everyday instead how big a difference in results will that be or not be

eod is fine and since you have a cycle of experience, you can probably handle 75/100mg or more if you really wanted... the sides will let you know if its too much... i know you dont want to hear it, but i would recommend skipping the weeks 8-10 of dbol and pick back up at the end if you like... the risk/reward of liver damage simply isnt worth it, imo... are you taking a lot of Liv52 or MilkThistle?

[Toloosz]

Taking milk thistle but i just watched a video recently on liv52 an how a study was done an its proven that it actualy works an helps ur liver generate new tissue so im going to switch to that. Would running a higher dose of tren increase results or would it be a waste being im getting results off my current dose. How i avoided sides was starting low an raising it

[Toloosz]

Im cut it out an pick up at the end when the tren runs out

[Toloosz]

Im only 12 days in on the tren an the last few days have bin a real game changer im in the mirror every hour it realy is an amazing compound when used rite

[Toloosz]

Hey Numbere so i ordered arimidex 1mg/ml and prami 2mg/ml they are liquid suspended version how should i run them and how long thanks bro

[numbere]

The only way to be totally certain about dosages is to have BW done before and after taking. Below are good baselines.

Adex @ 0.25-0.5mg/EOD when taking test dosed at 500-600mg/week

Prami should be dosed at 1mg/ED for the first few days, then tapered up to 1-2mg/ED. If you get nauseous then take less. 1-2mg is a light dose. Physicans usually prescribe prami at a dose of 3-4mg/ED.

Liquid dex should be stored in the refrigerator. Liquid prami is unstable and should also stored in a cool dry place to prevent degradation.

[Toloosz]

Great ill start there an see how my body responds. Now storage in a fridge is ok ur saying. How bout my nolva and clomid should that be stored as well in a fridge. I hate these liquid suspended chems cause who knows if each dose is the same it can be all suspended on the top or bottom an my dises maybe off ya know

[Toloosz]

Oh yea how long do i run each do i take prami only on tren an stop when off tren an do i run arimidex untill i stop test or stop when i start pct

[numbere]

I prefer liquid suspension research chemicals. If you always order form the same quality vendor (arr) you will have no heterogenous issues.

The link below contains the answer to your question.

how store research liquids

[Toloosz]

Cool yes ive bin using the same research lab for 2 yrs now there awsome always works always comes an is half the price of everyone else so im very happy only issue is no hcg on it