calories with test and deca

**sameok** · 09-15-2014, 02:02 PM

hey this is my first cycle, got my pct all planned out but I was just wondering if I should consider more calories than I used to when natural ? I used to consider 2500. Should I get more calories since on cycle ? I will be using

Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Sustanon 250 OR Testaviron depot - 500mg per week for 8 weeks

I weigh 158

**tice1212** · 09-15-2014, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by sameok

hey this is my first cycle, got my pct all planned out but I was just wondering if I should consider more calories than I used to when natural ? I used to consider 2500. Should I get more calories since on cycle ? I will be using

Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Sustanon 250 OR Testaviron depot - 500mg per week for 8 weeks

I weigh 158

How tall are u and ur body fat %

**sameok** · 09-15-2014, 02:24 PM

i'm 5.5 and about 12-13 bf

**sameok** · 09-15-2014, 03:59 PM

up up

**itsjayman02** · 09-15-2014, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by sameok

hey this is my first cycle, got my pct all planned out but I was just wondering if I should consider more calories than I used to when natural ? I used to consider 2500. Should I get more calories since on cycle ? I will be using

Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Sustanon 250 OR Testaviron depot - 500mg per week for 8 weeks

I weigh 158

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**TrenKing** · 09-15-2014, 05:52 PM

Basically eat as much as possible.

On my last cycle, I was forcing down 6500 Calories per day and 80 units of insulin and I still wasn't gaining as fast as I wanted to. It is literally almost impossible to gain fat on cycle (unless you're shooting slin).

Minimum 4000 Calories.

**derekkpapa1** · 09-15-2014, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by TrenKing

Basically eat as much as possible.

On my last cycle, I was forcing down 6500 Calories per day and 80 units of insulin and I still wasn't gaining as fast as I wanted to. It is literally almost impossible to gain fat on cycle (unless you're shooting slin).

Minimum 4000 Calories.

6500 calories of what?

Op you need to do more research 8 weeks test/deca is all wrong.
Read the sticky provide above.

**ScotchGuard02** · 09-16-2014, 09:28 AM

I always get nervous when I see calories being thrown around like a piece of meat. Calories is a terrible way to track nutrition. There was a report I read where a team of special forces was on tour eating 1800 calories a day and working round the clock. They were actually gaining weight. The report broke down their food into grams rather than calories. The point of the report was that if proper nutrition is supplied to the body the body can continue to function at peak performance even if the total calories below TDEE.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 09-16-2014, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I always get nervous when I see calories being thrown around like a piece of meat. Calories is a terrible way to track nutrition. There was a report I read where a team of special forces was on tour eating 1800 calories a day and working round the clock. They were actually gaining weight. The report broke down their food into grams rather than calories. The point of the report was that if proper nutrition is supplied to the body the body can continue to function at peak performance even if the total calories below TDEE.

Not quite sure I believe this report.
I would love to read it if you have a link.

**TrenKing** · 09-16-2014, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I always get nervous when I see calories being thrown around like a piece of meat. Calories is a terrible way to track nutrition. There was a report I read where a team of special forces was on tour eating 1800 calories a day and working round the clock. They were actually gaining weight. The report broke down their food into grams rather than calories. The point of the report was that if proper nutrition is supplied to the body the body can continue to function at peak performance even if the total calories below TDEE.

haha that report is total BS. People will believe anything

**Mp859** · 09-16-2014, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by TrenKing

Basically eat as much as possible. On my last cycle, I was forcing down 6500 Calories per day and 80 units of insulin and I still wasn't gaining as fast as I wanted to. It is literally almost impossible to gain fat on cycle (unless you're shooting slin). Minimum 4000 Calories.

This is just utter horse sh*t.

**2iron** · 09-16-2014, 11:30 AM

^^^ I agree. There are lots of factors for an individual diet. Not to mention what goals are.

**TrenKing** · 09-16-2014, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by 2iron

^^^ I agree. There are lots of factors for an individual diet. Not to mention what goals are.

I guess it is very dose dependent. At the low doses that this guy is running it might be possible to gain a bit of fat.

This summer when I was doing 6500 cals, I was doing more like 1.5g' test, 1.2g's deca and .5g's tren per week

**Buster Brown** · 09-16-2014, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by TrenKing

Basically eat as much as possible. On my last cycle, I was forcing down 6500 Calories per day and 80 units of insulin and I still wasn't gaining as fast as I wanted to. It is literally almost impossible to gain fat on cycle (unless you're shooting slin). Minimum 4000 Calories.

You can absolutely gain fat on cycle even on a clean bulk. Some people are more carb sensitive then others and usually find out the hard way during a bulk. If they are smart and paying attention they will change there protein carb and fat ratio to avoid repeating the same mistake. There are other factors as well such as genetics and age that affect diet outcomes as well.

**Baxter35** · 09-16-2014, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by TrenKing

I guess it is very dose dependent. At the low doses that this guy is running it might be possible to gain a bit of fat.

This summer when I was doing 6500 cals, I was doing more like 1.5g' test, 1.2g's deca and .5g's tren per week

Your 22 and have already ran cycles up to 1.5 grams test/week? Got any pictures?

**2iron** · 09-16-2014, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by TrenKing

I guess it is very dose dependent. At the low doses that this guy is running it might be possible to gain a bit of fat.

This summer when I was doing 6500 cals, I was doing more like 1.5g' test, 1.2g's deca and .5g's tren per week

Just looking at your last cycle my blood pressure shot up. All that at 22?

**TrenKing** · 09-16-2014, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Baxter35

Your 22 and have already ran cycles up to 1.5 grams test/week? Got any pictures?

I'm really small. Thats about all you need to know.

Bigger doses aren't necessarily better. That's what my last cycle taught me

**Back In Black** · 09-16-2014, 01:54 PM

There's something fishy in here. A king of tren and a high slin user? Maybe you are a king of slin too. Perhaps a slinking?!?!

**Mp859** · 09-16-2014, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by TrenKing

I'm really small. Thats about all you need to know. Bigger doses aren't necessarily better. That's what my last cycle taught me

Then quit giving advice.

**kelkel** · 09-16-2014, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by TrenKing

This summer when I was doing 6500 cals, I was doing more like 1.5g' test, 1.2g's deca and .5g's tren per week

Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Back In Black

There's something fishy in here. A king of tren and a high slin user? Maybe you are a king of slin too. Perhaps a slinking?!?!

Interesting observation....

**RangerDanger830** · 09-16-2014, 08:26 PM

Well, this thread has a lot to ingest. I am not going to sit here and say I believe Scotch concerning the SF study unless I see the results. However, I can say that without him giving any details I can still vouch for the premise behind his statement and I think this premise should be the take-home message of this thread.

That premise is that it is not just about how many calories you can shove down your throat a day on cycle. The truth is that you can get fat on cycle, very fat. The highest BF% I have ever had was when I tried just eating everything I could on a cycle. Yes, I did gain muscle but you couldn't see hardly any definition.

So what you should be focusing on OP is not how many calories you can eat, but how many calories you need. Go to the diet section, calculate your TDEE, and figure out what macro split you want to try first then stick to it. Times Roman just started a great thread on protein consumption in the diet section that would be a great place to start.

The last thing you need to do right now is cycle, your profile says you are 19 which seems to at least be accurate as of March of this year. You need to go to the diet section and learn how to eat. I understand you are only 5'5'' and that is unfortunate but 158lbs is still fairly light, even at 5'5''. That is not the weight you should be when you cycle. In a few years you could definitely gain a lot more weight naturally.

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**Ashop** · 09-16-2014, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by sameok

hey this is my first cycle, got my pct all planned out but I was just wondering if I should consider more calories than I used to when natural ? I used to consider 2500. Should I get more calories since on cycle ? I will be using

Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Sustanon 250 OR Testaviron depot - 500mg per week for 8 weeks

I weigh 158

Personally I would go 4000-5000 cals per day at your size. LOTS of complex carbs,,moderate protein and moderate good fats.