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    test e tren ace tbol

    whats going on everybody,

    deciding to run another cycle, previously done 3 (test prop, test e/tbol/var, test prop/tren ace). its been a full year since my last cycle. Looking to lose body fat and add lean muscle.

    stats:
    6'3
    240 lb
    12 % bf


    cycle:

    weeks 1-5
    TBOL @ 60mg/ED (can adjust, maybe taper up dose for 4 weeks)

    weeks 3-10
    TREN ACE @ 50mg/ED (potentially increase if need be)

    weeks 1-12
    TEST E @ 250mg/week (125mg twice a week)


    Aromasin @ 12.5 EOD

    Caber @ .5mg/twice a week (only using between weeks 3-10, when im using tren)

    HCG i have on hand, may not use though because I recover fine without


    PCT weeks 15-18
    clomid @ 50mg
    nolva @ 40/20/20/20

    Reason on why im running low test is because I want the tren to do most of the work. 250mg/week is basically to keep me at par and keep me running. I understand test e is longer ester, and tren ace is quicker, its just what I have on hand, and dont want to spend the extra cash.

    Currently getting 3500 cals (390g protein, 290 carbs, 85 fat). Will increase 500 cals and start from there, will keep log of cals. Going for lean bulk.

    What you guys think. Any input? Changes i should make?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJWhy View Post
    whats going on everybody,

    deciding to run another cycle, previously done 3 (test prop, test e/tbol/var, test prop/tren ace). its been a full year since my last cycle. Looking to lose body fat and add lean muscle.

    stats:
    6'3
    240 lb
    12 % bf

    cycle:

    weeks 1-5
    TBOL @ 60mg/ED (can adjust, maybe taper up dose for 4 weeks)

    weeks 3-10
    TREN ACE @ 50mg/ED (potentially increase if need be)

    weeks 1-12
    TEST E @ 250mg/week (125mg twice a week)

    Aromasin @ 12.5 EOD

    Caber @ .5mg/twice a week (only using between weeks 3-10, when im using tren)

    HCG i have on hand, may not use though because I recover fine without

    PCT weeks 15-18
    clomid @ 50mg
    aromasin @ 12.5mg

    Reason on why im running low test is because I want the tren to do most of the work. 250mg/week is basically to keep me at par and keep me running. I understand test e is longer ester, and tren ace is quicker, its just what I have on hand, and dont want to spend the extra cash.

    Currently getting 3500 calasin is (390g protein, 290 carbs, 85 fat). Will increase 500 cals and start from there, will keep log of cals. Going for lean bulk.

    What you guys think. Any input? Changes i should make?
    Aromasin should be dosed ed
    Nolva 40/20/20/20 for pct not aromasin.

    Hcg throughout cycle

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    I dose my stane ed too. Works better for me. Easier to track. Tren ED is the way to go. Cycle looks good. Fix your pct. You would only want stane in pct if you run Adex on cycle and have a tendency for rebound. Running stane on cycle, you won't need it in pct. I like my Tbol at the end of cycle, but I also run prop ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJWhy View Post
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    Currently getting 3500 cals (390g protein, 290 carbs, 85 fat). Will increase 500 cals and start from there, will keep log of cals. Going for lean bulk.
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    If ur going for lean mass.. I wouldn't increase ur calories by 500.. Maybe 200-250 but not 500.. Just my 2¢

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjayman02 View Post
    Aromasin should be dosed ed
    Nolva 40/20/20/20 for pct not aromasin.

    Hcg throughout cycle
    Your right, i know you dont want to run nolva right after tren , but ill have a couple weeks break. Nolva/clomid sounds good.

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    I do get estro rebound, I remember reading up on another thread saying aromasin can be run in pct and is actual beneficial because it promotes free test and controls estrogen. Im considering some var at the end, while test clears and i have something to keep strength

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    If your running Aromasin on cycle you won't need it in pct. I don't do good with Adex, so I almost always use aromasin. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor. Adex just blocks, which is why there is rebound possibility. If you control your E2 on cycle with Aromasin. There will be no need to control during pct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold43 View Post
    If your running Aromasin on cycle you won't need it in pct. I don't do good with Adex, so I almost always use aromasin. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor. Adex just blocks, which is why there is rebound possibility. If you control your E2 on cycle with Aromasin. There will be no need to control during pct.
    good to know. in the past i was running 12.5mg ED during cycle and everything was fine, just thought i could save some and still have same effects of estro control.

    Now i have liquid aromasin , is it possible to do 6.25mg ED (dosed at 25mg/ml, using oral syringe at 1/4 mark), considering im not injecting alot of test, or is 6.25mg ED too little?

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    Yes and yes. 6.25 ed is a good start. With minimal test that should be plenty. Mid cycle bloods will tell you how good your controlling E2. Your not going to crash your E2 with such a low dose anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold43 View Post
    Yes and yes. 6.25 ed is a good start. With minimal test that should be plenty. Mid cycle bloods will tell you how good your controlling E2. Your not going to crash your E2 with such a low dose anyways.
    awesome bro, thanks for your help. Really looking forward to this run.

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    Just because you have been lucky in the past why tempt fate more by not using the HCG ? Once you dont recover then its to late to go back and do it right and you will just spend a few more weeks or months trying to recover vs keeping your gains and enjoying the fruits of your labor. Just my .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Just because you have been lucky in the past why tempt fate more by not using the HCG? Once you dont recover then its to late to go back and do it right and you will just spend a few more weeks or months trying to recover vs keeping your gains and enjoying the fruits of your labor. Just my .02
    Yea for sure. I'll be using HCG during. Thanks for looking out bro.

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    Im outside so i cant see my phone very well. But i still gotta ask. Is that you in your avatar or antoine vaillant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael30 View Post
    Im outside so i cant see my phone very well. But i still gotta ask. Is that you in your avatar or antoine vaillant?
    its me bro.......i wish.

    its antoine vaillant lol

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