Test Levels @ 48.6

[Jaxon0408]

So I'm 6+ weeks out of my last cycle and pct (clomi/nolva) and I had my bloods ran. Normal range is 240-800 for my age range of 32. Dr is asking me if I've been on any "test boosters" or anything which I obviously told him no. I figured it was low with me gaining tons of water weight and some fat with it no matter my diet. I wanted to hit the dr in hopes he would consider me for TRT just so it wouldn't be an issue if I had it...somewhat. I have hcg on hand to run after I'm through at the dr just to get me back in normal range. What would you recommend in my condition? Rerun pct or just start running hcg and at what dose do you recommend?

[Jaxon0408]

Also should I be honest with the dr or not? I always heard never admit to using gear but I've also heard there's confidentiality issues there too if he were to say anything.

[XxAndreaxX]

Its interresting, please keep us updated. Do you have ED?? You don't seem very concerned at all, you have test levels of a Little bitsch, and you just blew your PCT. I'd be scared!

[Jaxon0408]

Its interresting, please keep us updated. Do you have ED?? You don't seem very concerned at all, you have test levels of a Little bitsch, and you just blew your PCT. I'd be scared!

Wow thanks for your very informative advice. Pct was ran correctly according to steroid .com standards and I know what I need to do to naturally bring my test back up to normal. I ran bloods at the correct time after cycle and that was what the results were.

[XxAndreaxX]

Wow thanks for your very informative advice. Pct was ran correctly according to steroid.com standards and I know what I need to do to naturally bring my test back up to normal. I ran bloods at the correct time after cycle and that was what the results were.

man if a standard PCT didn't reactivate you, I fear a second PCT won't do much. I hope someone can give you better chances, because I think I'm in a similar situation, my libido is not fully recovered and I'm going towards the end of my PCT. don't have any bloods right now. but I count with the worse. anyways, I don't think HCG will do anything, it only reactivate your testes, but it also shuts you down furher. I think the only way is hammering with clomid and AI, but lets hear some experts here.

[Deal Me In]

What was your cycle? Compounds, dosage, and length. Lay out your PCT with the same info. What was your test level pre cycle. We would love to help but we will need more information.

In the meantime, no on the HcG .

[Ashop]

Also should I be honest with the dr or not? I always heard never admit to using gear but I've also heard there's confidentiality issues there too if he were to say anything.

If your going to ask him about TRT I would just come out and do it.
Some docs will give you the run around and put you through numerous
testing. Ask him to keep it off the records about your conversation.

[kelkel]

Post your BW.

[Jaxon0408]

Sust 250/week 18 weeks
Tren 500/week 18 weeks
Mast 600/week 12 weeks
Pct 2 weeks after last shot
Clomi 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Age 32
Bw 208
Ht 5'8"
Bf% 12-13 (now)

[Jaxon0408]

Holding off of hcg for the time being.

Yes I may just be honest with him. I had a buddy see a specialist and told her and she's working with him.

[Deal Me In]

That's a lot of tren for a long time. At first blush I would say it might just take awhile after a cycle like that. However, I have no personal experience with tren doses that high or for anywhere near that long. Hopefully one of the more experienced guys will chime in but my advice would be to just wait it out.

[XxAndreaxX]

same mess here, 20 weeks of cycle, 16 week tren , from 400-800mg, Its just too much time. don't know what my test levels are, but libido is down. and PCT is over next week

[Jaxon0408]

same mess here, 20 weeks of cycle, 16 week tren, from 400-800mg, Its just too much time. don't know what my test levels are, but libido is down. and PCT is over next week

Hmm well hopefully you come out better than me brother. I haven't heard back from the dr yet on a resolution. I'd rather hear some ideas from from the guys on here that have delt with this before than the dr honestly anyway. Or before the dr starts recommending things anyway.

[Jaxon0408]

Help

[Grymreefer]

500mg of tren ?! How was your sides? Did you get BW done mid cycle? Or BW done at all? I couldn't imagine the impact it had on your lipid levels with such an extreme dose.

[kelkel]

Still waiting for you to post your BW. What you cycled with doesn't matter at this point.

[Jaxon0408]

500mg of tren?! How was your sides? Did you get BW done mid cycle? Or BW done at all? I couldn't imagine the impact it had on your lipid levels with such an extreme dose.

I didn't get any physical sides or any other driver sides I was aware of. I respond well to tren . My sex drive stays high, cut fat and have an excellent strength gain. My favorite cycle! I stayed on adex and prami so it was somewhat controlled.

[Jaxon0408]

Still waiting for you to post your BW. What you cycled with doesn't matter at this point.

I haven't got a physical copy of my bloods yet. It was just a simple call into the dr to see how it turned out and they informed me. When I get the copy I will post it.

[tectime]

That much tren and yes it is going to take longer to recover. What's your lipids look like ? After a round of tren like that (never quite that long but real close) it took months snd months and months for my lipids to return to pre blast status. I don't pct and even with the benefits of continuously running tes it took months and months for other issues to subside also. Trens a wicked bitch I love the results but really it's got to be respected. Its def the big boy on the block.

[Jaxon0408]

Still in need of some help here. Should I run a round of hcg or rerun pct or what? I run my cycles properly with pct. I know someone on here has to have some advice for me. What would you do in this situation?

[kelkel]

Still in need of some help here. Should I run a round of hcg or rerun pct or what? I run my cycles properly with pct. I know someone on here has to have some advice for me. What would you do in this situation?

Without seeing BW we're guessing Jax. Get that copy.

[carbo]

Not sure what's your objective here, recovering to normal or getting your doc to prescribe you TRT?

In case you want to regain function of your HPTA (assuming your PCT was sufficient) you need to stay off everything, HCG included, as it will keep you shut down. Your blood work might show some other issues, e.g. elevated estrogen, but let's discuss this once you have the results on hand.

[lovbyts]

Dont go down the TRT path. I know it sounds some what inviting but I dont think you will find anyone on TRT who would not rather be able to have normal levels and cycle once in a while if they could.

Get the copy of your blood work. I ask for mine every time. Using HCG will only work until you stop using it. If anything run the PCT again. I'm not sure if caber would be beneficial at this point or not.

How do you feel though overall? You may have just hit the blood test at the low point before it bounced back.

[Jaxon0408]

Finally got a copy of my bloods. If you can't see them I'll scan and post. Just trying to get it up here ASAP for help.

[BeingSwole]

Just a question regarding this, would running HCG on cycle helped him prevent a situation like this? Or the flaw was running on cycle for 18 weeks and nothing could have stopped this from forming?

[BeingSwole]

And also this looks like one heck of a cycle. This only got you down to 13% BF?

[Jaxon0408]

And also this looks like one heck of a cycle. This only got you down to 13% BF?

No 12-13 is where I am as of now. On cycle I was 8-9ish. I can rip down pretty easily on cycle with my diet. I love tren cycles.

[Jaxon0408]

Got bloods up. Help me out.

[Jaxon0408]

Bump for help.

[kelkel]

Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but you did not test two crucial items, LH and FSH (unless I missed them.) Without these we can't fully assess what's happening. Obviously your total Test sucks right now but the question is why? Is your pituitary not functioning or are your testicals not responding. If LH and FSH levels are elevated with low T then your testicals are not responding. If LH and FSH are low with low T then your pituitary is having issues. Don't worry about your ALT level as simply working out elevates these.

Also, keep an eye on your thyroid. TSH is a weak indicator of thyroid health but yours is still edging on high. I say this as the range on yours is out dated. A more modern range is .3 - 3.0. Next time get a full panel done.

First thing is fill in the blanks on your BW if possible.
If not consider a re-do of your PCT or an HCG stimulation test.

[Jaxon0408]

Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but you did not test two crucial items, LH and FSH (unless I missed them.) Without these we can't fully assess what's happening. Obviously your total Test sucks right now but the question is why? Is your pituitary not functioning or are your testicals not responding. If LH and FSH levels are elevated with low T then your testicals are not responding. If LH and FSH are low with low T then your pituitary is having issues. Don't worry about your ALT level as simply working out elevates these. Also, keep an eye on your thyroid. TSH is a weak indicator of thyroid health but yours is still edging on high. I say this as the range on yours is out dated. A more modern range is .3 - 3.0. Next time get a full panel done. First thing is fill in the blanks on your BW if possible. If not consider a re-do of your PCT or an HCG stimulation test.

This test was done at my primary Drs office so they tested for what they wanted. I'll see if I can go to a private md lab and get another done or see about filling on the blanks. When I go to a place like private md labs what "exactly" is the panel I ask for to get everything I need to have tested? They have a ton.

I started on some clomid about 4 days ago to see if that would help with the pituitary and I feel a little better. Still getting headaches daily though.

[kelkel]

I'd have to go through their options as you would. I'll look when I can. Clomid will stimulate production, hopefully, and if test levels rise then your testicals are functioning as well. Then you have to see if you maintain it without serms. I would have pulled the added BW first, imho.

[Jaxon0408]

Yeah your prob right. I've only been on for 4 days. I could stop and have a full panel done again in a couple weeks. That should give me enough time for the clomi to quit doing it's work.

If you get a chance check that for me. If no...no big deal. I appreciate the help either way. I was just tired of feeling like dung!

[XxAndreaxX]

Hi bro, I just recovered Well from my cycle that was very similar to yours, even worse ( I ramped up to 800mg tren ). Now my libido is high again, my dick works, although it still works better in the morning rather than at night.
I got a good boost, when I started low dose exemestane. Now, its time to see if I can maintain levels without any SERMS or AI.