Torem PCT Help anyone?

[Gorge]

Hello,
So I was looking on arr's site for PCT and AI stuff and have been looking at torem, but cannot find much on it.
Has anyone used arr's Torem for their research? Dose?
Would you use this with clomid still? Is it pointless to use with Tamox over clomid? (it seems to be very alike to tamox)

this is what I am thinking of getting for my cycle and pct:

Clomi
Torem
Dex
CIA

and I was told I should use IGF1 in pct because it will help keep gains and help recovery if this is true, which one would I get? I see more than one.


Sorry for all the questions, but any help is very much appreciated!! : )

[jimmyinkedup]

I think torem is a good substitute for nolva or clomid in a pct, usually if someone has an adverse reaction to either one. I know people who love it and swear by it and it is likely excellent even as a first choice (based on the data) I just dont have the experience with it. It is very comparable to nolva with less impact on igf and a slightly better sides profile, it just hasnt been used long enough by enough people to have the info nolva and clomid do.
Sounds like this is your first cycle, maybe tell us more about yourself, like your stats etc so people are better able to help you with advice.

[kronik420]

ive used torem/tamox for PCT before, worked well for me....

tamox 40/40/20/20
torem 120/120/60/60

[Buster Brown]

I have used the same protocol as above except I added a 5th week. I was happy with my recovery and did not have the issues that I did with clo.

[Gorge]

I think torem is a good substitute for nolva or clomid in a pct, usually if someone has an adverse reaction to either one. I know people who love it and swear by it and it is likely excellent even as a first choice (based on the data) I just dont have the experience with it. It is very comparable to nolva with less impact on igf and a slightly better sides profile, it just hasnt been used long enough by enough people to have the info nolva and clomid do.
Sounds like this is your first cycle, maybe tell us more about yourself, like your stats etc so people are better able to help you with advice.

Thanks guys!!
I have done a couple cycles, i did a dbol cycle (yes dumb i know) and a test and winny cycle for 10 weeks *winny for 5.
it was ok, but after researching over the last year I think I should have maybe gone a few weeks more.
I am in mid 30s, 5'9" 187 bf I am not sure but when i tense up abs I can see the outline a bit so like 15%.
first cycle i did no pct, well i took the nolva during the cycle like an idiot.

I am thinking of doing teste and deca cycle, but I also thinking of also using dbol

[jimmyinkedup]

Thanks guys!!
I have done a couple cycles, i did a dbol cycle (yes dumb i know) and a test and winny cycle for 10 weeks *winny for 5.
it was ok, but after researching over the last year I think I should have maybe gone a few weeks more.
I am in mid 30s, 5'9" 187 bf I am not sure but when i tense up abs I can see the outline a bit so like 15%.
first cycle i did no pct, well i took the nolva during the cycle like an idiot.

I am thinking of doing teste and deca cycle, but I also thinking of also using dbol

So why dont you lay things out. Your cycle including everything you will be running with it (ie: ai etc) and your pct plan and so on. We can help you get it all set properly etc. I may have missed it but why are you looking to swap a serm out for torem anyway? Not that it is bad, just wondering.

[Juced_porkchop]

Thanks guys!!
I have done a couple cycles, i did a dbol cycle (yes dumb i know) and a test and winny cycle for 10 weeks *winny for 5.
it was ok, but after researching over the last year I think I should have maybe gone a few weeks more.
I am in mid 30s, 5'9" 187 bf I am not sure but when i tense up abs I can see the outline a bit so like 15%.
first cycle i did no pct, well i took the nolva during the cycle like an idiot.

I am thinking of doing teste and deca cycle, but I also thinking of also using dbol

I am glad you are atleast researching now....
Dont use a SERM during cycle, use it for PCT. I mean if gyno popped up you could use low dose serm while waiting for AI to take on good effect and then stop the serm.

I would rec Torem or Tamox + Clomid PCT.

How exactly do you plan to run the cycle? lay it out so we can give better input on what is going on with what you plan to do.

[Gorge]

Thank you everyone for input!

I plan this for cycle:

week1 to 12 500mg test every week
week 1 to 12 300mg deca every week
week 1-5 30mg dbol ed
week 14-18 PCT (might try torem and clomid I think, what is a good dose when using this combo?)
Do I use the AI from week one? I plan to use 0.5mg dex eod or should I use .25mg dex eod? I see both doses posted a lot.
Am I missing anything?
How can I add a peptide to help cycle or PCT?

Thank you everyone for the help!!!
I am so excited!! : D

[jimmyinkedup]

Id do .25 eod.
Torem/120/120/60/60 clomid 100/50/50/50
As far as a peptide I dont know much about using igf in pct.
Is this your first cycle here? If so drop at least the deca and stick with a test only cycle here.

[Sergio727]

I brought up a question regarding peptides in pct, and the consensus was that peptides take along time of continuos use for noticable results.. But if the plan is just to keep igf levels up, especialy on nolva, i think using atrificial igf would be a good idea

[Gorge]

Id do .25 eod.
Torem/120/120/60/60 clomid 100/50/50/50
As far as a peptide I dont know much about using igf in pct.
Is this your first cycle here? If so drop at least the deca and stick with a test only cycle here.

Thank you for dosing info!
I did two half ass "cycles" ... But I would like this to be thought out on all areas this time around.
Would you still recommend dropping the deca ? I wanted to stack something, is there something else that is better to stack?

I brought up a question regarding peptides in pct, and the consensus was that peptides take along time of continuos use for noticable results.. But if the plan is just to keep igf levels up, especialy on nolva, i think using atrificial igf would be a good idea

Thank you.
If it helps at all in PCT I will likely use it. I am going to keep researching.

[Joco71]

Thank you everyone for input!

I plan this for cycle:

week1 to 12 500mg test every week
week 1 to 12 300mg deca every week
week 1-5 30mg dbol ed
week 14-18 PCT (might try torem and clomid I think, what is a good dose when using this combo?)
Do I use the AI from week one? I plan to use 0.5mg dex eod or should I use .25mg dex eod? I see both doses posted a lot.
Am I missing anything?
How can I add a peptide to help cycle or PCT?

Thank you everyone for the help!!!
I am so excited!! : D

I would make sure you take hcg during cycle 250iu 2x per week.