Clenbuterol with beta 1 agonist to remove unwanted negative effects on the heart

**blacknigga** · 12-10-2014, 05:00 AM

If one were to use a beta 1 specific agonist such as metoprolol to block the beta 1 activity from clen which is in the heart, theoretically the beta 2 activity which is wanted for burning fat will not be affected and the increased heart rate and hypertrophy of the heart will decrease and it will be safer but just as effective for burning fat. Would anyone have experience with this? I've found a study saying it will definitely remove/minimise effects on the heart when taken with clen but there wasn't much information regarding the effect on lipolysis. Now I know beta blockers might have their side effects but I'm thinking it would be safer to do this if it's for a short period of time.

Anyways, this is my first post I'm usually just lurking around here - Cheers

**qscgugcsq** · 12-10-2014, 07:43 AM

I thought of it and I realize that it would prkbably be useless...

clen do not magicly burn fat.

it increase you tdee by increasing your heartbeat and your total calories used daily.

if you use a beta blocker you dont get that energie expendure cause you stop the stimulant effect of the clenbuterol .

maybe your TDEE would still be slightly higher with beta blocker and clen.
but you better do 10mins of cardio to compensate the use of these two drugs...

the danger for the heart is he high blood pressure not the fast heartbeat in itself

so if you run cialis with it to keep your BP in check.
you are good to go.

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-10-2014, 08:17 AM

One of the benefits of clen is its ability to burn fat and be muscle sparing. This activity may be due to the effects on the receptor you would be blocking. This activates AKT and mTor pathways which are anti catabolic in nature. You may be undoing one of the primary benefits clen has to offer. This is not backed by science per say just by my knowledge on the receptor effects and the effects they illicit in the body. I tend to agree with the above and by controlling BP reducing the potential LV hypertropy effects of clen.

**blacknigga** · 12-10-2014, 10:20 AM

Thanks for the awesome reply, would you know if these mechanisms are also the same with albuterol? I know the main difference is the half life, but would be interest to know of others besides that it doesn't bind as strongly to receptors as clen . I'm currently running albuterol, it's ridiculously cheap and otc where I am and all I can get my hands on for the next 2 weeks or so.

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-10-2014, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by blacknigga

Thanks for the awesome reply, would you know if these mechanisms are also the same with albuterol? I know the main difference is the half life, but would be interest to know of others besides that it doesn't bind as strongly to receptors as clen. I'm currently running albuterol, it's ridiculously cheap and otc where I am and all I can get my hands on for the next 2 weeks or so.

The mechanisms are the same but Albut is inherently safer due to the shorter half life and somewhat weaker effect. I personally dont use clen at all any more at all I use albut as the sides are much better with albut.

**blacknigga** · 12-10-2014, 01:51 PM

Thanks, I find cardio is a breeze on albut. Is there any specific macros that would work better when using albut? I'm running 20-32mg/day sides are very manageable at this dose

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-10-2014, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by blacknigga

Thanks, I find cardio is a breeze on albut. Is there any specific macros that would work better when using albut? I'm running 20-32mg/day sides are very manageable at this dose

You have to figure out the macro split for you. Everyone is different so what works for me may not necessarily be best for you. When I cut I need to manipulate my carbs and it makes a difference for me personally. For you that may not be the case. The main thing though is cals in vs cals out, Thats really the main thing man.