why wouldnt a very short cycle be reasonably safe for someone 18-24

[Stealthypickle9]

im probably ganna get flammed so hard for this but after ready alot about bill roberts 2 week cycle protocol, i just dont see the potential for any real adverse affectsfor yound people such as a ****ed up hpta or hurt liver in those who know what their doing, not uneducated teenagers.
the hpta rebounds extremely fast, because the pituitary is never desensitized to lh due to such a short time on.ill link one of bill roberts study's demonstrating this. and since your on for a third of time, i dont see why this cant give appreciable gains over time.
im considering starting steroids soon since ive completely stopped gaining and since im only 18 and extremely prone to stretch marks, i think this would be a reasonable cycling strategy if i do decide to start eventually. has anyone had experience running this type of cycle and if so what were your experiences with it.

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/t...le-case-study/

[lovbyts]

Why not do some searching and read some of the 1000+ post from other kids asking the exact same thing.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[Haydenz]

You want to start cycling and you believe you have hit your genetic potential at 18?

Ha.. You're just looking for an excuse

Give us you're stats oh wise one.

[Oki-Des]

It is natural for you to believe you have reached your potential. But, no one here is going to suggest you do something that we all believe to be the wrong path. I know it is easy to assume that us older folks just want to keep secrets for ourselves; but that is not what anyone on this board is about. We are all here to share and offer our best advice; regardless of how it is taken. Just keep working out and doing what you are doing and you will have a better outcome in years to come. Dont worry, being a few years older is right around the corner even though it seems like forever right now, it will be here sooner than you think.

[Stealthypickle9]

You want to start cycling and you believe you have hit your genetic potential at 18?

Ha.. You're just looking for an excuse

Give us you're stats oh wise one.

im 6'1" 210, 9-10%bodyfat
my best bench is 330 and my best squat is 550
i can try to link videos if u guys want
my lifts have actually gone down a bit latley due to college and the stress of it

[Stealthypickle9]

i would agree with you quite strongly in most cases but i really do think ive hit my natural potential lol, i mean my bench has been the same for a year almost and my squats gone down due to an injury, and ive gotten quite a few stretch marks just from training natural, i totally agree most young people shouldnt touch the stuff but i believe there is a safe way to do it, if your educated enough

[fitnesstrainer]

im 6'1" 210, 9-10%bodyfat my best bench is 330 and my best squat is 550 i can try to link videos if u guys want my lifts have actually gone down a bit latley due to college and the stress of it

Your lucky. At 6'1 you have a lot of frame to add muscle to. Likely you could still grow naturally. What do you know about periodization? Periodization can be applied to your diet and training and is something you should research if you have not. Also at such a low bodyfat you could probably stand to eat quite a bit more. Not bashing you for having a low bodyfat, just pointing out that you should take advantage of an obviously fast metabolism.

[Stealthypickle9]

if you just look at it from a medical perspective, your hpta rebounds very quick and your natural test actually reaches higher than normal due to increased pituitary sensitivity, so i definetly agree long cycles are a really bad idea for all yound people, but im just not seeing the negatives of the two weekers

[fitnesstrainer]

i would agree with you quite strongly in most cases but i really do think ive hit my natural potential lol, i mean my bench has been the same for a year almost and my squats gone down due to an injury, and ive gotten quite a few stretch marks just from training natural, i totally agree most young people shouldnt touch the stuff but i believe there is a safe way to do it, if your educated enough

Just curious why you believe stretch marks are an indicator of something?

[Stealthypickle9]

i mean i love training, ive been lifting religiously since 13 and loved powerlifting in high school, but ive rxperienced quite a bit of growth and i can tell its slowed down to a crawl, im almost even regressing. ive done peptides before and saw good results but i really want the look that comes with steroids , i just want to do it in the safest way possible, considering im not the ideal canidate for its use

[Bio-Active]

i mean i love training, ive been lifting religiously since 13 and loved powerlifting in high school, but ive rxperienced quite a bit of growth and i can tell its slowed down to a crawl, im almost even regressing. ive done peptides before and saw good results but i really want the look that comes with steroids, i just want to do it in the safest way possible, considering im not the ideal canidate for its use

your 18 and your hormones are at there peak. If your gains have stopped then steroids are not the answer. You need to take a hard look at your nutrition training and rest. No reason to shut your endocrine system down at your age. Most of us would love to have the natty levels of an 18 year old again

[swolehead]

how are you 18 and In college also I do t believe you 9 percent bf no offense you mind posting some pictures to shown your stats r what you say

[Times Roman]

round and round we go....................

[AllKindsOGains]

Hey Roman, and everyone else here, I would love some opinions on how to build the best possible base for when I start AAS, which will be a few years off. I have asked a similar question before based upon the physique I should attain (weight and level of development). I am currently doing Marcus's HIT training: 1-2 working sets, failure + drops and rest pauses, 1 body part per week. If you would be interested in hearing about my stats either pm me or let me know here. I am late doing a physique critique but will hopefully have that up soon, along with stats. I really appreciate any and all help!

[Bio-Active]

Hey Roman, and everyone else here, I would love some opinions on how to build the best possible base for when I start AAS, which will be a few years off. I have asked a similar question before based upon the physique I should attain (weight and level of development). I am currently doing Marcus's HIT training: 1-2 working sets, failure + drops and rest pauses, 1 body part per week. If you would be interested in hearing about my stats either pm me or let me know here. I am late doing a physique critique but will hopefully have that up soon, along with stats. I really appreciate any and all help!

You should start your own thread

[Cody95]

im probably ganna get flammed so hard for this but after ready alot about bill roberts 2 week cycle protocol, i just dont see the potential for any real adverse affectsfor yound people such as a ****ed up hpta or hurt liver in those who know what their doing, not uneducated teenagers.
the hpta rebounds extremely fast, because the pituitary is never desensitized to lh due to such a short time on.ill link one of bill roberts study's demonstrating this. and since your on for a third of time, i dont see why this cant give appreciable gains over time.
im considering starting steroids soon since ive completely stopped gaining and since im only 18 and extremely prone to stretch marks, i think this would be a reasonable cycling strategy if i do decide to start eventually. has anyone had experience running this type of cycle and if so what were your experiences with it.

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/t...le-case-study/

If you're really 18 and can't gain then you obviously don't know how to diet, no offense but that's likely impossible to hit your genetic potential I did steroids at 18 and gained little to nothing from them because I didn't know how to diet. You'll be the same way, please don't waste your time or money. Also what are your stats?

[Cody95]

Hey Roman, and everyone else here, I would love some opinions on how to build the best possible base for when I start AAS, which will be a few years off. I have asked a similar question before based upon the physique I should attain (weight and level of development). I am currently doing Marcus's HIT training: 1-2 working sets, failure + drops and rest pauses, 1 body part per week. If you would be interested in hearing about my stats either pm me or let me know here. I am late doing a physique critique but will hopefully have that up soon, along with stats. I really appreciate any and all help!

Start your own thread please.

[Haydenz]

i mean i love training, ive been lifting religiously since 13 and loved powerlifting in high school, but ive rxperienced quite a bit of growth and i can tell its slowed down to a crawl, im almost even regressing. ive done peptides before and saw good results but i really want the look that comes with steroids, i just want to do it in the safest way possible, considering im not the ideal canidate for its use

Please give us a run down of your nutrition to the exact macro nutrient breakdown.

the reason why I ALWAYS ask this exact question to the kids that post these types of threads is because nutrition is the foundation of growth and without it, you will not move anywhere in building the body of your dreams.

[AllKindsOGains]

You should start your own thread

Look for me in the members pictures section tomorrow, sorry for butting into this thread.

[Stealthypickle9]

Please give us a run down of your nutrition to the exact macro nutrient breakdown.

the reason why I ALWAYS ask this exact question to the kids that post these types of threads is because nutrition is the foundation of growth and without it, you will not move anywhere in building the body of your dreams.

i drink a gallon of 1% milk a day along with two cheesburgers and like pizza somedays and microwave chicken for dinner, its been working so far, and its hard to have a great diet when ur in college and on a budget

[Stealthypickle9]

i know how to train, i benched 300 and squated 500 at 16 in offseason for football and my progress has been painfully slow since

[swolehead]

i drink a gallon of 1% milk a day along with two cheesburgers and like pizza somedays and microwave chicken for dinner, its been working so far, and its hard to have a great diet when ur in college and on a budget

lol dude this is why right here u answered your own question we all understand the college bugget thing but if u can't afford the right food you can't afford the steroids

[Buster Brown]

i know how to train, i benched 300 and squated 500 at 16 in offseason for football and my progress has been painfully slow since

If you knew how to train then you would still be progressing. Training must be cycled in order to grow.

[qscgugcsq]

i know how to train, i benched 300 and squated 500 at 16 in offseason for football and my progress has been painfully slow since

im assuming you were being sarcastic about your diet and that you arent trolling overall.

being 18 is just too young. and a short cycling may be safer than a long one. but still.is supressive and still is risky and will yield way less gain.

if you truly know how to train then you shouldnt be stalling. cause stalling is simply a bad peogression in your training

if you truly are an advance.lifter you must advance technic with advance training.

Personnally I DL 500 squat close to 400 and bench 300. and Im still using a intermediate program cause Im far from advance yet. and I still gain pretty well!

my first cycle was at 20YO 8 weeks of propionate .
free test before cycling 380(range 300-980)
6 weeks post PCT 270(same range)
total test dropped also, LH were lower too...

short cycle may be safer but at 18 even safer is not safe enough...

adjust your training and youll start gaining again...
eat enough to recover and youll gain again.
rest enough and youll gain again.
no steroids is needed for now...

[Juced_porkchop]

im probably ganna get flammed]

Its not about short or long cycle its about the message you will send to your body and F*&k up your bodies development or hult it altogether.. you are NOT going to find the "ok" you are looking for.. wait...