What seprates the freaky big bodbuilder you see in the gym and walking around

[musclestack]

Its hard to admit but genetic is EVERYTHING and even more. The shape of your muscles is genetic! The body and bone structure is genetic! How u burn fat and gaining muscle and can keep gains from cycle is genetic. Have good joints to never get injured even if u lifting like idiot is genetic. If u take two people and one is well blessed with genes the other can do anything, eat better, work harder sleep more, never will reach his shape. JUST MY 2 CENTS

I won't agree that it's EVERYTHING, but I agree on everything else you said. There's a lot of big, strong guys that just don't look good at all, no matter what they do. I consider myself to have a pretty descent build with above average proportions, but there's some things that I just won't get where I want no matter how I change up my training, i.e. my chest and calves. I have big shoulders and arms (btw, I hardly ever train arms), but you wouldn't think I bench 335 for reps by looking only at my chest. I can grow it slowly, but I've come to terms that I will never have a chest that pops like Arnold. My dad is the same way.

[MR-FQ320]

You got to have the cash to support this lifestyle too, gear and food costs money

[tice1212]

LMFAO WOW!

I'd hit legs on the daily after that

Nah, my legs have alway been big, no chicken leg shit hur & I just started training em' too. But, it ain't my focus I feel bad for the guy with pigeon leg genetics

But, that's right - we don't blame genetics here

And I have to be like one of the only guys with an ass. I'm like wtf man, it's still growing & so are my fvcking calves.

Yeah bro that chick said that I wanted to marry her lmao.
"But, that's right - we don't blame genetics here!" hahaha

[Honkey_Kong]

I'd say the reason is just simple. Some people don't try as hard as they think they do. It's like with your thread in the training section. How many of us honestly can say we left it all there? Most of us will say we work our asses off, but few of us get in to that level where we can say we left it all out there and had nothing left inside.

Plus how many people have cheat meals or just simply don't have a good enough diet to get huge? I don't know how many newbs I've read on here when we question why they're not going will say "my diet is good and clean." I think most of us are guilty of this as well if we're truely honest with ourselves. I don't mean to the extent those of those newbs.

And yeah, I'm not saying genetics doesn't play in to it. Most of us will never be making it to a Mr. Olympia no matter how hard we try. But that isn't really the point to Marcus's thread here. It's about getting the respect and recognition of a bodybuilder from that guy at the gym that totally dwarfs us. The fact of the matter, genetics aside most people haven't put the work in to get his respect. And why should he just hand that out?

[Swoleroid]

Honestly, screw genetics. Kick your body into shape and do whatever it takes to make yourself the best YOU you can be, regardless of how good or bad your genetics are. You have to be in a very small percentage to not excel in at least some part of bodybuilding. Like what was stated before, you have to use trial and error and find out your best routines, dieting methods, and intensity of training. If everyone had the same genetics and could use the same amount of effort for reward back than this sport wouldn't amount to as much as it has. I love knowing i can only chisel my body out into what i want to make of it which is determined through a lot of things i do to put time into bodybuilding. IMO, the only person you should ever be in competition with is yourself and your genetic makeup and then conquer all the odds set against you as much as possible. I lift for a majority of the reason being to see how far i can push past what my body wants to allow and keep going that extra mile, no matter how hard it is.

[musclestack]

Honestly, screw genetics. Kick your body into shape and do whatever it takes to make yourself the best YOU you can be, regardless of how good or bad your genetics are. You have to be in a very small percentage to not excel in at least some part of bodybuilding. Like what was stated before, you have to use trial and error and find out your best routines, dieting methods, and intensity of training. If everyone had the same genetics and could use the same amount of effort for reward back than this sport wouldn't amount to as much as it has. I love knowing i can only chisel my body out into what i want to make of it which is determined through a lot of things i do to put time into bodybuilding. IMO, the only person you should ever be in competition with is yourself and your genetic makeup and then conquer all the odds set against you as much as possible. I lift for a majority of the reason being to see how far i can push past what my body wants to allow and keep going that extra mile, no matter how hard it is.

I completely understand what you're saying, and I agree with it, however that wasn't what the original question is about. Yes, we can all strive to be the best US, but no matter how much 95% of us train, how great our diets are, or how many drugs we pump into ourselves, we will still never be the big freaky guys you see on stage at the Olympia. That is where genetics come in to play.

[XxAndreaxX]

I read too many stupid arguments here. Simply put, I’m 1,86m tall and I play basket against a guy that’s 1,50m tall, same condition and age both.
That makes me a better basketball player, more dedicated etc???? no, I’m simply gifted.
The Big guy in my gym, is a friend of mine, he goes to gym 3x a week, does always the same workout, always talking to other people or playing with his mobile phone, never diet in his life, never competed aswell. He does his low dose test-deca -winstrol cycle and he gets big and shredded.
Now, one of the most shitty guys in my gym: he works out 6 days of 7 (because gym closes), always looks for different workouts, obsessed with diet, never talks to other people during workout but... after 3 years, guess what, still look like de first day that mudderfcker!
So the big guy is a better bodybuilder than the other one? No! he’s gifted, that’s all. There might be big gifted and dedicated bbers, no doubt, but its completely wrong to judge dedication of someone by his phisyque.

But at the end of the day: Its all about the results!

[Baxter35]

I read too many stupid arguments here. Simply put, I’m 1,86m tall and I play basket against a guy that’s 1,50m tall, same condition and age both.
That makes me a better basketball player, more dedicated etc???? no, I’m simply gifted.
The Big guy in my gym, is a friend of mine, he goes to gym 3x a week, does always the same workout, always talking to other people or playing with his mobile phone, never diet in his life, never competed aswell. He does his low dose test-deca -winstrol cycle and he gets big and shredded.
Now, one of the most shitty guys in my gym: he works out 6 days of 7 (because gym closes), always looks for different workouts, obsessed with diet, never talks to other people during workout but... after 3 years, guess what, still look like de first day that mudderfcker!
So the big guy is a better bodybuilder than the other one? No! he’s gifted, that’s all. There might be big gifted and dedicated bbers, no doubt, but its completely wrong to judge dedication of someone by his phisyque.

But at the end of the day: Its all about the results!

Number of days in the gym does not equal the amount of work put in. That guy who is there 6-7 days, you saud he's always searching for new workouts and diets, sounds like he spends too much time skipping around from one workout to another and doesn't stick with the correct training style for the results he wants. Also, do you follow him home to see how he eats all day? I know plenty of guys like this. They put in what seems like a ton of time and effort, but its all misguided. A guy I work with is always talking about bodybuilding and what to eat to get big, I asked him a couple weeks ago how his diet was going and he said he trained hard and ate great yesterday, but he hadnt had time to eat yet today (this was around 4 pm). Yet, I know other people who think this guy is fully dedicated and hardcore based on how he always talks about it.

[XxAndreaxX]

Number of days in the gym does not equal the amount of work put in. That guy who is there 6-7 days, you saud he's always searching for new workouts and diets, sounds like he spends too much time skipping around from one workout to another and doesn't stick with the correct training style for the results he wants. Also, do you follow him home to see how he eats all day? I know plenty of guys like this. They put in what seems like a ton of time and effort, but its all misguided. A guy I work with is always talking about bodybuilding and what to eat to get big, I asked him a couple weeks ago how his diet was going and he said he trained hard and ate great yesterday, but he hadnt had time to eat yet today (this was around 4 pm). Yet, I know other people who think this guy is fully dedicated and hardcore based on how he always talks about it.

You’re partially right, its only an example, you see that guy, and you spot shitty genetics at first look. There are plenty of other guys, doing things right, inclusive the personal trainer in my gym that looks like shit too! His brother thou, only plays football and has 10x better body than him!! He’s so jelous about his brother. I always tell him, you have to consider AAS, you can’t afford that most of your clients look better than you, only because of genetics!

[Honkey_Kong]

You’re partially right, its only an example, you see that guy, and you spot shitty genetics at first look. There are plenty of other guys, doing things right, inclusive the personal trainer in my gym that looks like shit too! His brother thou, only plays football and has 10x better body than him!! He’s so jelous about his brother. I always tell him, you have to consider AAS, you can’t afford that most of your clients look better than you, only because of genetics!

You can't just say "it's genetics." Look at it like this, no two people are exactly alike. We all have different nutritional needs AND we all respond to exercise differently. Hence finding what works can become a challenge for the individual.

And at a competitive bodybuilding level, genetics does make a difference. But for the regular gym rat, getting the right diet/rest/training make the difference between a guy who is jacked and somebody who is small.

And that trainer friend of yours probably isn't the best trainer out there. Being a "trainer" means you paid $400 and took a shitty online class to get a certificate. It doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

[marcus300]

I read too many stupid arguments here. Simply put, I’m 1,86m tall and I play basket against a guy that’s 1,50m tall, same condition and age both.
That makes me a better basketball player, more dedicated etc???? no, I’m simply gifted.
The Big guy in my gym, is a friend of mine, he goes to gym 3x a week, does always the same workout, always talking to other people or playing with his mobile phone, never diet in his life, never competed aswell. He does his low dose test-deca -winstrol cycle and he gets big and shredded.
Now, one of the most shitty guys in my gym: he works out 6 days of 7 (because gym closes), always looks for different workouts, obsessed with diet, never talks to other people during workout but... after 3 years, guess what, still look like de first day that mudderfcker!
So the big guy is a better bodybuilder than the other one? No! he’s gifted, that’s all. There might be big gifted and dedicated bbers, no doubt, but its completely wrong to judge dedication of someone by his phisyque.

But at the end of the day: Its all about the results!

That really makes no sense what so ever if you fully understand how your grow and maintain a decent body

[marcus300]

I think everyone has hit on the top points and as you can see its not just one thing what's separates them from us, its many things from a dedicated lifestyle and being consistent in everything you do year in year out, genetics play a huge part, the mind set and how you can open up the inner self to go past your threshold and sticking points to further gains, diets, training and finding out which style really suits you with your goals, dedication, motivation and the will to succeed and be the best possible you can be. But one thing is for sure even if you apply all the above you still reach the small percentage what reach the Mr O stage because some guys just have that extra body type what grows and grows and explodes because its in their make-up. But without doubt you can be something special if you apply a whole lifetime and dedication in the right areas.

[XxAndreaxX]

You can indeed have results if you do it right, everyone will have some results. But like I said, some guys will have the fitness-model look without even taking AAS, others like me will get it with some AAS help (without need of abuse), and others not even with AAS because their strange body composition.

[musclestack]

I read too many stupid arguments here. Simply put, I’m 1,86m tall and I play basket against a guy that’s 1,50m tall, same condition and age both.
That makes me a better basketball player, more dedicated etc???? no, I’m simply gifted.
The Big guy in my gym, is a friend of mine, he goes to gym 3x a week, does always the same workout, always talking to other people or playing with his mobile phone, never diet in his life, never competed aswell. He does his low dose test-deca -winstrol cycle and he gets big and shredded.
Now, one of the most shitty guys in my gym: he works out 6 days of 7 (because gym closes), always looks for different workouts, obsessed with diet, never talks to other people during workout but... after 3 years, guess what, still look like de first day that mudderfcker!
So the big guy is a better bodybuilder than the other one? No! he’s gifted, that’s all. There might be big gifted and dedicated bbers, no doubt, but its completely wrong to judge dedication of someone by his phisyque.

But at the end of the day: Its all about the results!

I'm not sure if your post was directed to me, but let me just say that I was not trying to start an argument with anyone. Healthy, friendly debates are fun and informative. We're not always going to agree, and that's fine. All I'm saying is that if you take the guys in the top level of this sport; the 'freaks' (which is what this thread is about) and compare them to the guys who may train just as hard, diet just as well, and take the exact same amount of supplements and drugs, but are NOT freaks, then you are left only with genetics as being the variable which sets them apart. I completely understand and agree that diet, intensity in the gym, and drugs CAN play their own role in setting the two apart; I just wanted to add that, all things being equal, genetics plays a huge (and possibly the biggest part) of how far you'll go in this sport.

[Honkey_Kong]

I'm not sure if your post was directed to me, but let me just say that I was not trying to start an argument with anyone. Healthy, friendly debates are fun and informative. We're not always going to agree, and that's fine. All I'm saying is that if you take the guys in the top level of this sport; the 'freaks' (which is what this thread is about) and compare them to the guys who may train just as hard, diet just as well, and take the exact same amount of supplements and drugs, but are NOT freaks, then you are left only with genetics as being the variable which sets them apart. I completely understand and agree that diet, intensity in the gym, and drugs CAN play their own role in setting the two apart; I just wanted to add that, all things being equal, genetics plays a huge (and possibly the biggest part) of how far you'll go in this sport.

This thread I don't believe was directed at the top tier of the competitive bodybuilders. It was more or less directed at the big/jacked guys at your local gym. Those guys work hard to look like they do and you might not be able to catch them, but you can through hard work get yourself big and win their respect.

[musclestack]

This thread I don't believe was directed at the top tier of the competitive bodybuilders. It was more or less directed at the big/jacked guys at your local gym. Those guys work hard to look like they do and you might not be able to catch them, but you can through hard work get yourself big and win their respect.

Gotcha. I guess we interpreted the direction of the original post differently. But I think we both understand each other, and where the other is coming from. Cheers, HK!